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[00:00:00] Speaker A: WVUA FM, Tuscaloosa.
[00:00:10] Speaker B: And we are back. You are listening to the NFL student section on WVUA 90.7, the capstone now streaming live on tune in apps and live 365 apps, Apple podcasts and, of course, Spotify. With that being said. Go guys. The Super bowl.
We're here. What a game.
[00:00:30] Speaker A: We're done.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: I know. I can't believe it. We made it this far. And honestly, just reacting to that game, it did not disappoint.
[00:00:38] Speaker A: No, it did not at all. Second ever Super bowl overtime, right?
[00:00:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Second ever in NFL history, I believe.
[00:00:43] Speaker C: And Kyle Shanahan was part of both of them and blown two leads in.
[00:00:49] Speaker A: Both of them both times. Had a double digit lead and lost in overtime right after.
[00:00:53] Speaker B: Yeah, it's an unfortunate situation for Kyle Shanahan, but it seems like it's a repeat. I know. The San Francisco 49 ers lost to the Chiefs about, what was it, three years ago? And pretty much same result. Chiefs beat the 49 ers with a final score of 25 to 22. Like Connor had already mentioned, 49 ers. They had it going up in the first half. They had to leave. They looked all good. And then, Connor, your narrative that you've been speaking on all season, Kyle Shanahan. I'm not slowly going to put the blame on Kyle Shanahan, but I will.
[00:01:21] Speaker C: Because that overtime, that was his fault for not preparing the guys.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: I mean, no, it's crazy to hear that players were saying that they did not know the rules of playoff overtime until it happened.
[00:01:33] Speaker B: Like multiple key players like Eric Armstead, Kyle Yusuch. I can't say it.
[00:01:37] Speaker A: Yuschek.
[00:01:38] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:01:38] Speaker A: Let's call him juice.
[00:01:39] Speaker C: And the funniest thing is, it's like they were explaining the rules right before overtime, before they did the coin flip. So it's like they should have just listened. Yeah, I don't really know how to say.
[00:01:51] Speaker A: I mean, also, beyond that, the Chiefs were having their strategy meetings, like, twice a week to prepare for overtime if they saw it. I think I saw that drew Tranquil said that.
[00:01:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:00] Speaker A: And I mean, man, he said leading.
[00:02:02] Speaker B: Up to the Super bowl, too, so just not like.
[00:02:04] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:02:04] Speaker B: So that just shows you two different halves. But one thing I will say to Kyle's defense, one of the big issues in that Falcon Super bowl where they like, of course, the legendary Tom Brady comes back and you know the story. He wouldn't run the ball, but this time, you can see he did run the ball. He tried running out most of the overtime. So, I mean, you can't say he didn't learn from his mistakes.
[00:02:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I think a lot of people were saying, and I have to agree a little bit, that CMac should have gotten the ball more in the second half compared to overtime, especially with that lead.
But again, that Chiefs defense, man, it is so good. And again, for someone, Brock Purdy really is a great player. But for an inexperienced quarterback, it's not easy to go up against and to put up a bunch of drives sequentially.
[00:02:53] Speaker C: It's not easy to go against when your three best receivers are nowhere to be found the entire game. George Kittle. What? Two catches for four yards. Debo Samuel, three catches for 33 yards. I'm pretty sure he had eleven targets that game.
[00:03:07] Speaker A: He had eleven targets.
[00:03:08] Speaker C: Yeah. And he was just strapped down by legarius need. Brandon Ayuk only had three receptions as well for 49 yards. You can't win when your best pass catchers just don't get the ball.
[00:03:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:18] Speaker C: Juan jettings had an unbelievable game, that touchdown catch.
[00:03:22] Speaker A: If Niners would have won, man, he would have easily been the Super Bowl MVP.
[00:03:25] Speaker C: Without a doubt.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: First player since Nick foles to throw and catch a touchdown.
[00:03:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:30] Speaker C: First player to throw and catch a touchdown and lose the Super bowl.
[00:03:33] Speaker B: Well, good as well. Give him his own category. Yeah, but I will say, well, one, I mean, like, let's just break into this a little bit more. Brock Purdy, the narrative that's been surrounding him, you just mentioned it. He didn't have any of his weapons, but this is still.
[00:03:49] Speaker C: He had his weapons.
[00:03:50] Speaker A: Right, but they were on the field.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: But they were no show.
[00:03:53] Speaker C: Well, I wouldn't say, yeah, no show, but he overthrew a lot of touchdowns.
[00:03:57] Speaker B: You're right.
[00:03:58] Speaker C: There was some plays where he just threw the ball into the dirt. I felt like in the second half, the nerves kind of got to him a little bit because I think he missed Brandon Ayuk on a deep shot. He missed. I can't remember who else it was, but he had two other overthrown deep balls. I mean, Debo Samuels wide open. He threw it to his feet. There were a lot of easy plays where he could have gotten the 49 ers down the field and maybe changed the game, but he just missed the easy throws.
[00:04:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I think easy throws, maybe a stretch. What Brock Purdy kind of thrives on, what makes him a really successful quarterback is anticipation and anticipation, and he understands the importance of timing and rhythm. And again with this Chiefs defense, because the look changes almost every other second. Once the ball is snapped, that anticipation changes a little.
[00:04:44] Speaker B: Bit.
[00:04:44] Speaker A: You can still read leverage, but when you're reading coverage and you're going downfield, that's when it becomes much harder to do things like that. And also, just with how well the Chiefs have been jamming guys all year. They've been great on the line. They've done it well against. They did it excellently against the Dolphins to start Tyree kill.
[00:05:00] Speaker C: We saw Tyreek Hill get bodied.
[00:05:02] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:05:03] Speaker A: And they've done that really well. And when you have the combination of a shifting coverage, post snap, and really physical cornerbacks, it's really easy to overthrow those deep routes that you want to anticipate. And I think it really speaks to Steve Spagnola's defense.
[00:05:18] Speaker C: 1000% spagnola.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: Just, what does he have now, four rings or six rings?
[00:05:22] Speaker C: I think four.
[00:05:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Good for him. And then also their linebackers coach now has six rings. I'm pretty sure.
[00:05:27] Speaker A: Really?
[00:05:28] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure. And he hasn't even turned. He's just now turning 49 or something. Wow. Yeah. So he's extremely young, so congratulations to that guy. But also, one of the things I wanted to talk about, I know the Chiefs came out strong, which they always tend to do a little bit, like when that first try, they always like to set the tone. But let's talk about when the game really turned. I thought San Francisco wasn't doing too terrible until that costly fumble on the punt return. Or I want to say Ray, Ray McLeod, he fumbled the ball because he hit Darryl Luder Jr's leg. And I think from there, you kind of saw the momentum swing because that set up that go ahead touchdown to about a scantling jr. Yeah.
[00:06:06] Speaker C: Like you were saying, really, the 49 ers had all the control in the first half because besides that one fumble CMC had. But even then when he fumbled, it was like, what, a three and out. The Chiefs just.
[00:06:16] Speaker A: Yeah, there was plenty of turnover. There was plenty of three and outs to start the game, changes of possession to start. I mean, it was the CMC fumble.
[00:06:23] Speaker B: And then followed by that Isaiah Pacheco fumble where you had that classic now famous scene. I guess everyone forgot about it, but Kelsey running into Andy Reid. Andy Reid, because he was upset, because I think he wanted to be on the field to block. And they had Noah gray out there. And that's what led to the.
Let me. Let's get Evan in here a little bit. Evan, you're someone who's been on the cheese all season.
What did you think about the Super Bowl? I mean, you were right. Your prediction was right.
[00:06:53] Speaker D: I think they definitely came out a little slower than I expected.
I don't think they even scored until the second quarter.
[00:06:59] Speaker B: What?
[00:07:00] Speaker D: It was 30 going into the second quarter. But what we've been seeing this whole playoffs, and ever since Chris Jones really got back, is once they got their foot on that pedal, they did not let up every single drive. It seemed like they were dictating what the 49 ers were doing and they were just doing whatever they wanted to on offense and even coming back onto the field for overtime, like watching Patrick Mahomes trot out and the camera pan up on him. I'd heard that song before. I knew it was over.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: Yeah. No, trust me, last year, I hate doing this, but last year when I was watching the Super bowl, when I knew that the Chiefs were getting the ball back, I was like, yeah, the Eagles aren't going to come away with the win.
[00:07:41] Speaker A: It speaks so much to the Chiefs. And again, that's why people talk about playoff experience so much when comparing teams, when it gets in the postseason, because it really does matter. Like you said, with the momentum shift, when Ray McLeod, that punt gets muffed, if you're a team that's experienced and has been there many times, then maybe you can find a way to move past it and keep going and keep everyone motivated. But that's, I think, what the Chiefs do well, because they had the fumble, they had Patrick Mahomes interception, they still had bad points in this game, but they were able to come back from it. And I think a chief success in the red zone, especially late in the game, you really saw the Andy Reid red zone play calling come out, which I'm a huge fan of. Speaking of the corn dog play that beat the Eagles last year, worked again this year. Again, great play design, but to get it, and also the fact that the Chiefs were going to go for two, if San Francisco had scored in that.
[00:08:41] Speaker B: First drive, I think they would have gotten it.
[00:08:43] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. Especially with that. They had that play in their back. It's. You have to imagine they would have.
[00:08:48] Speaker C: It was a crazy chain of events, because we looked at the first half, the Chiefs couldn't. They were, what? One for five? Not one for five. They were one for five coming up until, like, I think the fourth quarter in the red zone. But the red zone, they couldn't really move the ball. The run was stuffed every time. Pacheco really had a. He didn't have a great game. The 49 ers, actually, yeah, they've got.
[00:09:10] Speaker A: A really good defense. I mean, I'm not terribly upset at the Pacheco somewhat disappointing game, but I think you kind of had to expect it a little bit.
[00:09:18] Speaker C: Well, if we look at the 49 ers whole playoff this year, I mean, Aaron Jones ran all over them. So did Jameer Gibbs and David Montgomery. So I just expected Pacheco would be.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: Like, I think those are better running teams than the Chiefs, to be fair. The packers and the Lions. The Lions, obviously. No, but the packers have been a really good running team all year.
[00:09:40] Speaker C: Yeah, of course I expected Pacheco to be able to run through multiple defenders, but the 49 ers did a great job tackling. He didn't really have a lot of broken tackles and I mean, they forced the fumble a lot, but really in the red zone, they couldn't get the run game going. And Patrick Mahomes and the receivers, I felt like, were kind of like. I don't see not miscommunication, but they weren't really all on the same page.
[00:10:04] Speaker B: I couldn't get in the rhythm. You had that moment where Patrick Mahomes and Rasheed Rice were caught arguing on the sideline. And that's apparently because, like I said, I'm not on the sideline, so I can't directly say what it was, but speculation that it was Rashee Rice was wide open, and then he threw that contested throw to Travis Kelsey, I think.
[00:10:21] Speaker A: Was it on the bad snap?
[00:10:22] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it was because of the bad snap.
[00:10:25] Speaker A: Bad snap. You go to your security blanket on the fade, on the outside, try to let him make a play.
[00:10:29] Speaker B: I mean, the week prior, I mean, two weeks prior, you got that same exact touchdown against Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, I know it's Fred Warner, but.
[00:10:34] Speaker C: Still, I mean, for that play, you understand both sides. Bad snap by Creed Humphrey. There's what, 9 seconds left? So you have to get it out quick. You don't really have.
I mean, I don't hate the play. I know it sucks. And it would have looked really bad if they ended up losing because of that play. But they got the field goal, went overtime. Kyle Shanahan didn't know how to explain the rules.
It was fourth and what, four? And they decided to kick the field goal knowing that Patrick Mahomes had the ball next. Yeah, it's just not great game planning by Kyle Shanahan. And safe to say he's kind of the doc Rivers of the NFL.
[00:11:08] Speaker A: The doc Rivers of the NFL. I think he's too successful in the regular season.
[00:11:12] Speaker C: Doc Rivers has always been successful in the regular.
[00:11:15] Speaker A: I only say that because I think the coaching has much more of an impact on the, especially the way Kyle Shanahan coaches. I think it has more of an impact on in season success. When you are the offensive play caller and pretty much the offensive designer, that's the only point of difference that I find in that.
[00:11:31] Speaker C: So when I say Kyle Shanahan, doc Rivers, I think of guys who have immense talent every year.
[00:11:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:38] Speaker C: I mean, Doc Rivers has played with Paul, George Quelliner, Julian B, James Harden, all these kind of guys. Kyle Shanahan has Devo, Samuel, George Kittle, all these all pros. They have great regular seasons. Doc Rivers is always, what, one to three seeds in the NBA and they get to the playoffs, they're not great at adjustments, and they end up blowing big leads or just not being able to pull it through in the end. And I just feel like that's a really, if Kyle Shannon wants to do something, he's got to, I guess, I don't want to say get an assistant to help with the adjustments, but he's got to adapt.
[00:12:13] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.
I thought that the Chiefs offense did a really good job catching the Niners and bad looks late in the second half. One when Travis Kelsey got that, when he got that drag route to take it, probably an extra 20 yards up.
[00:12:27] Speaker B: Field for the first down, I thought.
[00:12:29] Speaker C: It was going to score.
[00:12:29] Speaker B: I did, too.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: When they caught him in mesh against man. And again, Mesh is just when you have drag routes coming from opposite sides of the field and there's usually a spot route in the middle, which means they just go to like five yards past the line of scrimmage, middle of the field, and just sit right there.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: Right.
[00:12:44] Speaker A: And the whole point of that is usually followed by a wheel route, but you just create so much collision, so much guys run into each other and also on top of a screen. Exactly. It's like a pick play. It's like the oldest pick play in football, probably. Right, but Travis Kelsey, when that happened, obviously it was a little bit of a pick because it's a mesh play, but Travis Kelsey just beat Fred Warner, man, and it seemed like he was still pulling away from him, even, like, I think Fred Warner maybe got picked a little bit, but I think Travis Kelsey looked obviously faster than Fred Warner, which is pretty wild, in my opinion.
[00:13:14] Speaker C: Speaking of Fred Warner and the linebackers, that Dre Greenlaw thing was very like, it's such a tough blow. Yeah, it's freak injury. And then Brooks. Brooks was the backup linebacker, and he didn't force an incompletion. I think they went six or six. With the passer rating of a perfect passer rating.
[00:13:33] Speaker A: 8.3. Yeah.
[00:13:34] Speaker C: Talking about the back targeting him.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:35] Speaker C: The backup linebacker.
[00:13:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Oren Burks.
[00:13:37] Speaker C: Yeah. They just targeted him and he had.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: My homes had over plus 100 QB.
[00:13:43] Speaker C: It was 158.
[00:13:44] Speaker B: It was something perfect.
[00:13:45] Speaker C: Was.
[00:13:46] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:13:46] Speaker C: It wasn't a great look. I think if Dre Greenlaw just doesn't tear his achilles jumping up and down, running on the field, I mean, to.
[00:13:51] Speaker B: Me, Dre Greenlaw is like the Patrick Beverly of this defense. A little bit. Like he gets everybody else going. I mean, there was that moment a couple years ago where all the linebackerbackers thought they couldn't come back together and they couldn't retain all of them. And he was the main one to start crying because he just loves, I don't know, he's just a glue guy also.
[00:14:08] Speaker A: I mean, every tackle he made before he went out, he was so excited, he was so fired up. And to see a guy who.
[00:14:13] Speaker B: He's that energizer. Yeah.
[00:14:14] Speaker A: To see a guy who has that much intensity in the game go down just sucks, no matter what.
[00:14:19] Speaker C: That's why the Chiefs were having a tough time in the first half. I feel like every play Dregor in law was at the ball, made the play or just around it, and he just had a great game. And it's unfortunate to see him go down in that kind of way.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: Especially because I think, like we mentioned earlier, this happened right at the start of the second quarter, so he barely got to play like really any of the Super bowl. And like you said, you play all year, you train all year for this moment, and then you're finally on the biggest stage and all it takes is just you skipping to get back on the field. And now you're out for probably likely next season, too, because of how late it is in the, you know, our thoughts and prayers go out to Dre Greenlaw. Hopefully everything's all right. But, Connor, I want to back it up and revisit this Kyle Shanahan narrative. I know what you're saying about Kyle Shanahan and being kind of same category as Doc Rivers, which you know how I feel about Doc Rivers. I'm kind of in the same boat there. But what about Andy Reid? Andy Reid kind of had a similar start. He remember he went to the 2000, he didn't win any of those big games with Donovan McNabb to. But years later, now we're calling him arguably maybe one of the greatest coaches of all time, if not the goat himself. I know Bill Belichick obviously still leads that conversation, but Andy Reid has snuck into that. Like, snuck into that discussion.
[00:15:34] Speaker C: I definitely think he snuck into it. And I'm not counting Shanahan out.
[00:15:38] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:15:38] Speaker C: So, like, I'm not saying he's never going to be a good coach because as an, I'm like, I'm aware of the Andy Reed, how he was with the Eagles and then went to the Chiefs and then just became a Super bowl champion basically each and every year. So I'm not going to say Kyle Shanahan is never going to be a great coach.
[00:15:55] Speaker A: He's also 44. He is. No, he's got a lot of time to improve and keep getting better.
[00:16:01] Speaker C: I'm just saying as of right now, in his past coaching jobs, I'm just saying he's a little overrated just because of what he can't do in the playoffs.
[00:16:11] Speaker B: So if you're John lynch and you're the 49 ers, because they're about to hit a lot of speculation that they can't pay everybody. You've seen what Brandon iuke has been posting on social media. His brother's been posting on social media.
[00:16:22] Speaker A: I would trade Brandon iuke to the Carolina Panthers is what I would do.
[00:16:25] Speaker B: I know. I was actually going to bring that up to you.
[00:16:27] Speaker A: I would let him go in free agency immediately.
[00:16:29] Speaker B: I know. I would love that for the Panthers as well. But also, I saw that his brother was posting that he's gone to the Raiders, that it's already like.
[00:16:35] Speaker A: To the Raiders.
[00:16:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is he? Who's going to throw him the ball? I have no idea. O'Connell to be his quarterback, but I.
[00:16:42] Speaker D: Bring up Justin Fields in the Raiders.
[00:16:44] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I have heard that.
[00:16:46] Speaker B: Yeah. There's rumors of Justin Fields to the Raiders. There's rumors of them trying to trade up for Jaden Daniels because obviously he has a close relationship with Antonio Pierce. Yeah. Because he was the assistant coach at Arizona State.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: Yeah, he was a major role. He played a major role in a.
[00:16:59] Speaker B: Lot of things, in the bad things.
[00:17:01] Speaker A: That went down at ASU at the time.
[00:17:03] Speaker B: So we might see a reunion there. But also, the reason I bring all this up is because the 49 ers can't pay everybody and they have a huge decisions to make. And I know Brock Purdy is already in the second year, but I know they're going to start looking toward that because it's going to be here sooner than later. So if you're the 49 ers, what's your plan here? Just real quick, before we hit the.
[00:17:23] Speaker C: Break, so their Super bowl window is closing very fast because a lot of their top talent players are all coming into their contract here and like you said, they can't pay everybody coaching wise. I think you just got to keep Kyle Shanahan. He's had so much success.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: I don't think there's any reason to get rid of Kyle Shanahan. Let him keep getting better.
[00:17:41] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what you. I say keep him. I mean, hopefully he's only going to get better with time and he's learned experience. Yeah.
[00:17:49] Speaker A: He's still a premier coach in this league.
[00:17:51] Speaker C: You say he's learned, but I mean.
[00:17:52] Speaker B: He did run the ball this time.
[00:17:53] Speaker C: He did run the ball this time. He didn't blow. He didn't blow a 25 point lead. He just blew a ten point lead second time.
[00:17:59] Speaker A: Also, who else are you going to hire if you decide to part ways with Kyle Shanahan?
[00:18:04] Speaker B: That's the only name.
[00:18:05] Speaker A: But if you're trying to build and have a consistent team for a while, you don't go build Belichick frable.
[00:18:12] Speaker C: Frable frable is not bad.
[00:18:13] Speaker A: I'd be okay with that.
[00:18:14] Speaker C: I just think you got to keep Kyle Shannon.
[00:18:16] Speaker B: I do, too.
[00:18:17] Speaker C: And it's going to get very sad for 49 ers fans soon because all these players are not going to be with their team because of the money and the contract situations and everything like that. So the next few years, you got to win it now or your window closes for a while.
[00:18:35] Speaker A: Right.
[00:18:36] Speaker B: And just real quick, the Chiefs, I know they have to deal with Lujeri. Snead. My guess is that he probably gets franchise tagged.
[00:18:41] Speaker C: I think he's going to get franchise tagged.
[00:18:42] Speaker A: Sorry, Tanner, unfortunately, yeah.
[00:18:44] Speaker C: Andy Reid already said he's coming back.
[00:18:45] Speaker B: Yeah, and Andy Reid's coming back. Travis Kelsey's coming back. So that three mean, are we looking at a dynasty, right.
[00:18:53] Speaker A: If that defensive course, obviously there's a good chance Chris Jones doesn't stay. But, man, if they keep Trent McDuffie, Nick Bolton, oh, yeah, Jerry Snead, they keep all those key pieces, man. I mean, it's scary. It's a scary team. Yeah.
[00:19:09] Speaker B: And then there's already talks of Patrick Mahomes already reconstructing his know just to try to keep everybody together, much like how Brady would do to keep those Patriots teams alive. But we'll see what happens there. But talking about Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady, when we come back from break, we're going to get into just a little discussion about the goat. How close is Pat Mahomes on Tom Brady's heels.
You are listening to the student section, NFL on WVUA 90.7, the capstone. Be sure to stream us on. Tune in live 365 apps, Apple podcasts, and of course Spotify. I'm back with Tanner Thompson, Connor Rolls and Evans Cisonaros. And we're about to go start the second discussion with the GOAt debate. I mean, now that Patrick Mahomes has just claimed his third title, coincidentally, if I'm not mistaken, the same age where Tom Brady at 28 got his third.
[00:20:25] Speaker A: Title, he's also leading him in every major statistical category through the same amount of games played.
[00:20:31] Speaker B: Yeah, so that's like what I was just about to go through.
At age 28, Tom Brady had eleven starts. Patrick Mahomes has 18. Tom Brady was ten and one.
[00:20:40] Speaker A: Wait, starts?
[00:20:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:42] Speaker A: Mahomes has playoff starts. Oh, playoff starts. I was going to say 18 starts.
[00:20:47] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm sorry, let me be more. Thank you for that.
So Tom Brady is ten and one. Patrick Mahomes record is 15 and three. Winning percentage of Tom Brady, obviously 90%. Patrick Mahomes 83% completion, Tom brady 61%. Patrick Mahomes 67.
[00:21:05] Speaker C: Are you going to go down this whole list?
[00:21:06] Speaker B: Not all. I was literally going to stop and ask for the passing yards. Passing yards is 2000, basically 500. And passing yards for Patrick Mahomes is 5000.
[00:21:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:16] Speaker B: So it's just crazy. Like another crazy stat. Tom brady 20 815 touchdowns through the postseason. Patrick Mahomes 41.
So I just think that's an interesting place to start with this conversation. So I'm going to let you guys take the course. Absolutely take it.
[00:21:32] Speaker C: So do I think Patrick Mahomes will become the goat? I do. I just think as time goes on, he's going to just pile on playoff wins, pile on all this success. But as of right now, I would still give it to Tom Brady because Tom Brady had the success over those years. I mean, he won his last Super bowl when he was like, what, 40 years old? Yeah, I think he still has the rings won over and I think we all just forget that. Tom Brady played Patrick Holmes in the playoffs twice in his two and o against him, one in the, was it college championship game with the Patriots and in the Super bowl, the Bucks versus.
[00:22:03] Speaker A: That Super Bowl, I think deserves somewhat of an asterisk on it just into context of that matchup. Because do you guys remember watching that game?
[00:22:12] Speaker B: I mean, it was just absolutely, they.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: Had three offensive linemen who were not in the position either. Three offensive linemen injured and three guys who are not in the positions that.
[00:22:22] Speaker C: They were supposed to be, and then they all dropped a ton of balls.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: And that Bucks defense was unbelievable, too. It was such a good defense that.
[00:22:29] Speaker C: Year, but it's still, in the end, it's two wins versus with Mahomes and then zero with two wins, brady, zero Mahomes. So I'm just saying, you can't really count out those prior playoff games.
[00:22:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Those matchups.
[00:22:44] Speaker C: So I will say Mahomes will most likely become the goat, but right now, Brady is still the goat. And then even if Mahomes retired to this day, at 28 years old, he would easily be a first ballot hall of Famer.
[00:22:57] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:23:00] Speaker A: I agree with pretty much everything.
Something that I've seen that I kind of want to bring up is the take of who is close is if LeBron's closer to MJ or past MJ. Yeah, exactly. That's my point. I think it's ridiculous.
[00:23:13] Speaker B: What did Evans just say? I missed it.
[00:23:15] Speaker A: He said that LeBron is past MJ, which I don't think is an insane take. But that being said, I think LeBron is 100% closer to MJ than Mahomes is to Brady.
[00:23:25] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:23:27] Speaker A: I mean, Brady's got seven rings and also he still is an all time leader in every category possible. It feels like as a quarterback and obviously this is in the basketball show, so we won't get to into LeBron versus MJ. I do think LeBron has surpassed just.
[00:23:42] Speaker B: I know this is a discussion. Keep going. I'm going to let you finish.
[00:23:44] Speaker A: It's going to be hard to not talk about that the more we mention it, so I'll get away from it.
[00:23:47] Speaker C: But I do want to say one thing about this. I'm just going to leave it at this. I think LeBron is the best of all time, but Jordan's the greatest of all time.
[00:23:55] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:23:56] Speaker C: Because I think greatest includes all the accolades and everything, while best is just skill wise.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: And I'm just going to rebuttal.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: So hard to not get into that.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: And I'm just going to rebuttal with one thing.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: We're just having a conversation.
[00:24:07] Speaker C: We're going to stay away from it.
[00:24:09] Speaker B: Just real quick.
If everyone says Kobe Bryant is the closest thing to Michael Jordan, then why is he never in that conversation? That's all I want to say.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: We don't have to go anymore, but moving on.
[00:24:19] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:24:19] Speaker A: Yeah, we have to be done.
[00:24:21] Speaker B: Yeah, we have.
[00:24:22] Speaker C: This is a football show.
[00:24:23] Speaker B: Yeah, but that being said, so let me ask before we move on to our next thing that we're going to do kind of continuing off what we did last week. Tanner Connor, I wasn't here, but you didn't miss much. We're going to have a lot of fun with it. But just last question before this Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes debate. What else would Patrick Mahomes have to do?
How many more rings would he have to get? Seven rings or would he have to get five? Would he have to get what?
[00:24:48] Speaker A: Gets five? Six. I think it's five or six in a decent span of he. Let's say he gets two more rings in the next five years, then I think you absolutely have to give it to him. That's the greatest of all time.
[00:25:01] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, he's already got the stats. I just think if he gets five, six, then he will become the goat. But I agree with Tanner.
[00:25:10] Speaker D: Yeah, I have a hard.
[00:25:14] Speaker C: Like, I.
[00:25:15] Speaker D: Agree with everything they're saying.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Oh, gosh, are we going back?
[00:25:18] Speaker D: All I saw was Tom Brady every single year, and it wasn't even like he was in the same division as me. And I rooted for him. He was just the best, the standard, and we saw that he was the system. People say he's a system quarterback or whatever. He was the system.
The whole team thrived around him and we saw that. Obviously, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers already had a great team, but he brought that system with him and brought them a Super bowl within, what, his first year, right?
[00:25:46] Speaker C: Yeah, first year, yes.
[00:25:47] Speaker D: So seeing that prolonged, sustained success for over 20 years, it's hard to even think that someone could surpass that. But then I think Patrick Mahomes has been a starter since 2017. He beat Brady in, I think, his first ever.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:06] Speaker D: And ever since then, I can't remember a AFC conference championship that didn't have the Chiefs.
[00:26:15] Speaker A: It's because he's been in every single one. He's been there and he's won five out of six. Right?
[00:26:20] Speaker C: Yeah. Because the only one he's lost was that Bengals one.
[00:26:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:23] Speaker B: So thank God for Joey Burrow right.
[00:26:26] Speaker D: Now, he's not the GoAt, but if we see this success for three, four, five years, I think it has to be at least tied at that point. And if it continues on even further than that, if he can go play till what, 45, like Brady, he'll definitely be the sole goat.
[00:26:44] Speaker C: I think one thing that really helps Mahomes case is you lose Tyreek Hill, and then the next two years they go back to back. It doesn't really matter who's with him as long as he has Travis Kelsey, which is unbelievable to me.
[00:26:58] Speaker B: That's what's going to be really interesting, like what they're going to do or how they're going to pivot once Patrick Mahomes doesn't have his day one tight end.
[00:27:06] Speaker A: Looking back on it now, man, I mean, we really shouldn't have been that surprised with their success because Chiefs have the best defense that they've had with Patrick Mahomes playing quarterback for them and they still have Travis Kelsey and they still have Andy Reid at the end of the like, I think that's all that team needs to be Super bowl contenders every year. And clearly now Chris Jones.
[00:27:26] Speaker C: I would not have Cadarius Tony on the field.
[00:27:28] Speaker B: That was hilarious. Shout out to Kaderius Tony, who gets his second Super bowl ring and we'll.
[00:27:33] Speaker A: Be heading to his next stop in the NFL here soon.
[00:27:36] Speaker B: Yeah, that's brutal.
[00:27:37] Speaker C: Possibly his last stop or yeah, maybe.
[00:27:39] Speaker A: His next stop in the UFL. Who knows?
[00:27:42] Speaker B: Hopefully he's still in the league. But my goodness. Yeah.
[00:27:44] Speaker A: What a, imagine what Kadarius Tony could do in the UFL, though.
[00:27:47] Speaker C: Oh, respectfully, if he can catch the ball, then he'll be dangerous.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: Oh my God. He's tearing everybody's Achilles.
[00:27:52] Speaker A: He's tearing everyone's Achilles.
[00:27:54] Speaker B: Sorry, what did you say? Connor, that man has no knees during the draft.
[00:27:59] Speaker A: He has no acls.
[00:28:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, the way he, like, it's unreal. It's crazy.
[00:28:03] Speaker B: Just no hands.
[00:28:05] Speaker C: Yeah, if he can get hands, he might be the greatest of all time.
[00:28:08] Speaker A: He might be the greatest of all time.
[00:28:10] Speaker C: We won't see that day.
[00:28:11] Speaker B: Someone send this to move aside.
[00:28:12] Speaker A: Jerry Rice, Cadarius Tony is here.
[00:28:15] Speaker B: He's arrived. All right, so speaking of Patrick Mahomes, let's go ahead and pivot. There's been a lot, it seems like every draft.
[00:28:23] Speaker A: Speaking of Patrick Mahomes, let's go to the NFL draft.
[00:28:25] Speaker B: Did I say that?
[00:28:26] Speaker A: You said, speaking of Patrick Mahomes said, let's pivot.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, well, I was setting something up. I didn't think it through before I had said it, but I was like saying, speaking of Patrick Mahomes, it seems like every time the NFL draft comes up, we always hear a player that know compared to Patrick Mahomes. And what we're about to do is we're about to do our very own mock draft. So, Connor, you missed last week and we did something similar like this last week where we didn't really go in order of the draft, but we just named players that we liked and we think might go slide or under the.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: Radar guys, but maybe not at the top of their position group, but we really think can make a huge impact.
[00:29:02] Speaker B: Yeah. And so now with the Super bowl season officially being over and the Super bowl over, we're going to do our own mock traps and kind of. I think I'm going to start it off. Evan, you're going to be pick number two. Right. And then Tanner, your third. Connor, your fourth.
Just making sure.
[00:29:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: Honestly, I know we did the hat.
[00:29:21] Speaker A: Thing earlier, but our orientation in the room has changed, so it may get confusing, but I think we'll get it.
[00:29:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Evan's in that room back by himself. He's a little stranded, but I think I'm going to go ahead and start things off. I'm the Chicago Bears. We can make trades. I'm going to preference this. We can make trades, but we're not.
[00:29:39] Speaker C: Going to go too much into detail about the trades.
[00:29:41] Speaker A: We're not trying to. Just like maybe a couple of future first, like, things along that line.
[00:29:46] Speaker C: If Washington trades up for Caleb Williams, probably like six picks and a couple of players.
[00:29:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:52] Speaker B: We're not going to be like, first round, 2043, 2nd, where do we go from 2024?
[00:30:01] Speaker A: Can you even trade a 2043?
[00:30:03] Speaker B: No, you can't. But I was just using that example. We're not doing.
[00:30:06] Speaker A: Every player in the league right now will be out of the league. The coaching staffs will be in.
[00:30:09] Speaker C: Those players haven't even been born yet.
[00:30:11] Speaker A: NFL might not even exist in 2043 for all we know.
[00:30:14] Speaker B: Hey, that's the risk. You play when you got the number. But. All right. So starting it off. I'm the Chicago Bears. I think I'm going to do the safest thing here.
Unless we find out. It's too early to say because there's not a lot of information. There's a lot of rumors spiraling right now, but we're going to play it safe here. With the number one overall pick, I am taking no Caleb Williams.
Good call out of USC.
Also, I was thinking to add to this, should I put, like on like a 32nd timer or a minute timer? Sure.
[00:30:43] Speaker C: Why not?
[00:30:44] Speaker A: On the clock?
[00:30:44] Speaker B: Yeah, why not? So with that being said, evan, you are officially now on the clock as the Washington commanders.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: All right.
[00:30:51] Speaker D: I think I've gone over their draft needs. They need wide receiver, quarterback, and offensive line. I think you got to take the best player on the board. So I'm taking Marvin Harrison.
[00:31:02] Speaker A: There you go. They don't go quarterback. Are you a believer in Sam Howell?
[00:31:07] Speaker D: He's all right.
[00:31:08] Speaker B: He's not the best Drake may right now, but okay.
[00:31:13] Speaker D: You got to get that generational talent.
[00:31:15] Speaker C: He's all right.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: All right.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: Fair enough.
[00:31:18] Speaker A: Tanner, that leaves me with the Patriots at three, which means I'm going to take Drake May.
[00:31:23] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:31:23] Speaker A: And I'm going to give Gerard Mayo in his first season as a head coach, somebody who could be a franchise quarterback for a very long time.
[00:31:31] Speaker B: I like that pick.
[00:31:32] Speaker A: Thanks, Ben. Well, so I didn't have to think about it very hard because Drake May.
[00:31:35] Speaker B: Is on the board. It's just kind of a given right there. So let me ask you this. As someone picking for the Patriots, there's been a lot of rumors recently that they might trade out of the spot. Why did you decide to keep it? Well, I think, like you just, Drake.
[00:31:47] Speaker A: May's there, but, yeah, I think the trade out is more likely if you see Williams and may go one and two. But I think they have a glaring need for quarterback right now, and they're in a pretty luxurious position to have a top pick in this draft. Specifically, this is a quarterback strong draft, very strong draft. And next year going to be real light. Going to be really light in terms of the quarterback. So I think I'm a believer.
A, you can't have a consistently great team without a great quarterback at the helm, and you have a chance to get that with Drake May. As far as I can tell, he's got every physical tool in the book. He reads the field pretty well. He's six four, a pretty good athlete. I think it's hard to deny taking Drake May here.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: Excuse me, I'm blinking on his name, but the guy from Pat McAfee show, the cornerback his name starts with the.
[00:32:45] Speaker A: D.
From the Pat McAfee show?
[00:32:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Darius. Darius Butler.
[00:32:51] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:32:51] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, that's my bad. It took me forever, actually. Met him here on the campus, which is funny. Oh, really? Another story. But anyway, he pretty much said he spent the whole day with Drake may or went golfing with him, and he was like, I'm taking Drake may number one after talking to that. Yeah. So makes sense.
[00:33:06] Speaker A: And also, especially if he interviews well, man.
[00:33:08] Speaker B: Exactly. And like Gerard Mayo said, and I think his introduction, he was to it all starts with the most important piece, and I think he was referring to the quarterback position.
[00:33:17] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:33:18] Speaker B: Now, Connor, you are up. You have an interesting choice to make.
I thought you were going to go for Cardinals. Might go for Marvin Harrison here, but I'm curious to see what you do here.
[00:33:29] Speaker C: I actually have the Cardinals trading down.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Okay.
[00:33:33] Speaker C: I have them trading down to the 8th overall pick for a bunch of future draft picks, the Falcons move up to number four.
[00:33:39] Speaker A: Oh, boy.
[00:33:39] Speaker C: And I think the Falcons go jaden Daniels.
[00:33:41] Speaker A: Oh, boy.
[00:33:42] Speaker B: Heisman winner Jaden Daniels.
[00:33:44] Speaker C: He was just outstanding this year. So I think the Falcons finally get their guy. They compare it with Kyle Pitts, Bijon Robinson, and they can actually have a good offense this year.
[00:33:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:53] Speaker B: Okay, so tell me a little bit more. Why did you go Jaden Daniels and not how come you didn't go for any of the other prospects? Maybe because a lot of people were thinking they might go for maybe like a Dallas Turner or edge rusher or defensive player, but you went with a quarterback and just say, I know Desmond Reddit is not maybe the guy, but are you saying that you think that's a bigger issue?
[00:34:13] Speaker C: 1000%?
I would still say they had a decent defense. I mean, Jesse Bates balled out of his mind. So I just think, yes, the edge is a huge glaring need, but if you can get your quarterback for the future, I say you got to go do it.
[00:34:28] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And I think this is great for me because now I'm up back on the club as the LA Chargers with the new head coach, Jim Harbaugh.
Man, I don't think I have to overthink. Know the Chargers. They just brought in Greg Roman, the old Ravens offensive coordinator, and one of his big things was always running the ball and his use of tight ends. So I guess you guys know where I'm going. Yeah, you guys know where I'm going here.
[00:34:52] Speaker A: Shake it up, Jalen.
[00:34:53] Speaker B: We're staying in Georgia and I'm going to go with Brock Bowers. Wow.
[00:34:57] Speaker D: That was going to be my pick at number six with the Giants, but they still need a receiver, so easy pick for me. I'll pick Malik neighbors.
[00:35:04] Speaker A: Malik neighbors going to the Giants.
[00:35:06] Speaker B: And that's a great pick. I mean, Evan, you were here last week. Tanner, we had that discussion. Now, we thought, I'm a huge Malik neighbors fan. Yeah, we were saying, know Marvin Harrison is ultimately the better talent, but hey, it's a lot closer than we think.
[00:35:17] Speaker A: Dude, I said this I think last week, but Malik neighbors is one of my favorite prospects. I've seen the last four drafts. Probably it's unfortunate he's in the same draft as Marvin Harrison, but that is a really good player.
[00:35:28] Speaker B: And not to put you on the spot, but since you are college analysis, you do do the college.
[00:35:33] Speaker A: I sure do.
[00:35:35] Speaker B: Who is Malik's neighbor's comparison? NFL comparison.
[00:35:39] Speaker A: NFL comparison for Malik neighbors.
I would give Malik neighbors like a.
I would say he's close to a Garrett Wilson. Obviously Garrett Wilson.
I think Garrett Wilson will continue to be better, but in terms of the tools and I think in terms of the explosiveness and athleticism that both of them have, and also pretty nuanced route running. Great hands, pretty good body control, too. Really good at winning on the outside.
He's the first thing that comes to mind because he's also a little bit smaller, a little bit lighter than obviously the Marvin Harrison.
But yeah, I think both those guys are special movers.
[00:36:25] Speaker B: A great pickup for the Giants, especially with a quarterback like Daniel Jones. And I know they're thinking about bringing that veteran quarterback, but either way, with Darren Waller, who can't sometimes, who has trouble staying on the field with his health.
[00:36:37] Speaker A: Right.
[00:36:37] Speaker B: And is also busy doing a rap career at the moment, just to throw that out there, I love saying that, but also, it's finally good that Daniel Jones will finally have a wide receiver one. But with that being said, tanner, you are now on the clock for the.
[00:36:50] Speaker A: Tennessee Titans with this pick. I am pretty torn between Olufishanu and Joe Alt. I think Joe Alt, I get a little bit concerned with his ability, with his hands. I think he's a really good player at six eight. He's got unbelievable feet at the tackle position, but I get a little concerned with his hands and he gets. Seems like it gets bulldozed a little bit sometimes.
I'm going to shake it up a little bit. I'm going to go Olufushano here for the Tennessee Titans, I think he's a little bit more versatile. I think as they start to introduce Taj Spears into this offense, I think they'll probably start to run the ball because I don't think Will Levis is the guy that you want dropping back, reading the whole field and pushing the ball down. So I think going for athletic and a guy who can be a dominant tackle and Olufushanu is their best move.
[00:37:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I like it. I think that would be a great pickup for them, especially we saw last year they needed help with that offensive line. Like you said, spears, I know.
I think. Doesn't he do more? He's more of a catcher out the backfield. Levis likes to use him as a.
[00:37:53] Speaker A: Well, he was this year because they still have Derek Henry.
[00:37:55] Speaker B: Right.
[00:37:56] Speaker A: But I believe he'll be the number one guy just in the running back room. He's very successful in the catching because he's a super explosive athlete and there was a few times where he got a gap and he just flew through it like a missile. He's a really fun guy to watch. And again, regardless, picking an offensive tackle in the top ten, it's a pretty good recipe no matter what it's like picking an edge or a quarterback, you know what I mean? It's just a generally good move. But yeah, I like the pick.
[00:38:23] Speaker B: I think it's a safe pick and I think it's a smart pick. And I don't think Tennessee would be upset if they got ended up with, I can't say his name.
[00:38:30] Speaker A: People could be upset with me not getting Joe Alt because I think a lot of people like Joe alt as the tackle one, but I'm an aloof Shanu fan.
[00:38:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Because I think right here the argument's potential versus.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:38:43] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, Connor, you're back up on the clock. Usually I would say the Falcons, but you made the trade earlier, so the Cardinals are back up on the clock.
[00:38:50] Speaker C: And I think the Cardinals would be very ecstatic right now because they will get their guy and Romeo Odunze.
[00:38:57] Speaker A: Romeo Odunze?
[00:38:58] Speaker C: Yes. I just think.
[00:38:59] Speaker A: Is that his full name?
[00:39:01] Speaker C: It's Rome, I think. And then Adunze.
[00:39:03] Speaker A: I know it's Rome.
[00:39:04] Speaker C: Rome, yeah, Adunze.
[00:39:06] Speaker A: Oh, is there short for Romeo?
[00:39:08] Speaker C: I don't know.
[00:39:08] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:39:10] Speaker A: I wanted to figure that out.
[00:39:11] Speaker C: Miss that, I guess. But I mean, they've had the guys like Marquise Brown, speedster, Rondell Moore, who kind of plays a back wide receiver, who's also like a good fast route runner, stuff like that. But I think they want to get their frame guy to go up and get it. Guy six, 3215 out of Washington. He's still a great route runner. I just think this is a great pickup for Kyler Murray and he gets his number one target.
[00:39:39] Speaker A: I like it.
[00:39:40] Speaker B: See, I like it. But now you just made it so much more difficult for me. Now I'm with the Bears and I was actually targeting Romeo Denze, but now you've got me thinking and now I'm just like, gosh, I think I might trade back here, but, oh, boy.
While I try to make that decision, we're going to head to break. And when we come back, hopefully I have that pick ready. You are listening.
[00:40:02] Speaker A: Buys himself time, man.
[00:40:04] Speaker B: Hey, it's a smart thing to do, right? You are listening to the student section. NFL on WVUA 90.7, the capstone. Be sure to check us out on tune in live 365 apps, Apple podcasts, and of course, Spotify. We're back and we're finishing our version of this mock draft. So, of course I'm up on the board with a Chicago's pick after. Who was the last person taken?
[00:40:51] Speaker C: Rome Adunze.
[00:40:53] Speaker B: And they were taken by cardinals, correct? Yes. And our mock. So with this pick, since I clearly did not figure anything out over the break and I'm panicking, I'm going to trade back with the jets, one pick by one spot, and I'm just taking Joe alt. I'm just going to make it simple.
[00:41:11] Speaker A: Okay, so you're trading back with the jets as the bears and you're taking Joe alt as the bears at ten.
[00:41:18] Speaker B: I'm taking. No, the jets. One of the jets.
[00:41:21] Speaker A: But you're controlling the bears right now.
[00:41:23] Speaker B: Okay, so who's the jets? Okay, Evan, Evan, who are you taking as the jets?
[00:41:29] Speaker C: Who am I taking at number nine?
[00:41:30] Speaker B: Yeah. So if you're the jets, who are you taking?
[00:41:32] Speaker D: Oh, I hate to do this to you. I'm taking no Joe alt.
[00:41:35] Speaker B: Okay.
I don't know if you can do that in the.
All right, all right. So it's being said the jets are taking Joe Alt one way or another. All right, so that's settled. Tanner, you have Chicago's pick.
[00:41:47] Speaker A: I have Chicago's pick.
[00:41:48] Speaker B: All right. Whatever.
[00:41:49] Speaker A: You should have.
[00:41:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:51] Speaker A: You just traded with Epic.
[00:41:53] Speaker B: I'm sorry, I'm getting lost.
[00:41:56] Speaker A: You have the bears pick at ten.
[00:41:57] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:41:57] Speaker A: Who would you like to draft?
[00:42:01] Speaker B: Give me a suggestion. Honestly, at this point.
[00:42:03] Speaker A: Give you a suggestion?
[00:42:04] Speaker B: You just took Joe Alt.
[00:42:06] Speaker A: Joe Walt, you took Joe Alt.
[00:42:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:08] Speaker A: Okay. And you are the New York jets.
[00:42:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I honestly, I'm going to take someone right here. I'm just going to take.
Give me lot two. Lot two.
[00:42:19] Speaker A: Lot a lot to.
[00:42:20] Speaker B: Good call.
[00:42:20] Speaker A: I'm okay with that.
[00:42:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Just give me, like. I know they need some help. They need some edge rushing. Yannick, I think it's no longer there in Chicago. Right? I think he's still a free agent. Now, I don't know if he went somewhere else, but just because I'm in panic mode, I'm going to be like, this must be what a GM feels like. So, yeah, panic pick. Lots of. Lotsu. I think it's still a safe pick.
[00:42:39] Speaker C: You went Lotu over Dallas Turner works for me.
[00:42:44] Speaker A: I'm going to be taking Dallas Turner with the Vikings pick at eleven, which is what I was hoping for.
[00:42:49] Speaker C: Okay, I'll take it now for the Broncos.
They need a lot.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: Yeah. You could literally go.
[00:42:57] Speaker C: I could go anything.
[00:42:58] Speaker B: Right. That would have been easier for me.
[00:43:00] Speaker A: But, I mean, I guess they need a quarterback.
[00:43:03] Speaker C: They do. Are they going to keep? I don't think they are.
[00:43:09] Speaker D: Sean Payton said the door isn't closed, but benching him for the last portion of the season, I don't know.
[00:43:15] Speaker A: It was pretty incriminating to do so.
[00:43:17] Speaker B: I'm just going to say, like try to do a madden rebuild on that franchise with Russell Wilson on the max contract. He's a 70 overall.
Insane, man. Insane. You can't, can't cut him.
[00:43:27] Speaker A: You can't trade him.
[00:43:29] Speaker C: Broncos at Dallas Turner.
[00:43:32] Speaker A: I just picked Dallas Turner.
[00:43:34] Speaker B: Pick Dallas.
[00:43:34] Speaker C: Never mind.
[00:43:34] Speaker A: Why don't you pay attention to my draft pick.
[00:43:37] Speaker B: Vikings took Dallas Turner. Yeah.
[00:43:39] Speaker C: Okay. So I'm honestly thinking about trading back, but they just need a lot.
[00:43:44] Speaker B: Honestly. Can I give you a suggestion? I mean, you don't have to, but I think Jared verse would be a great pickup right here. Maybe a little high.
[00:43:52] Speaker C: I like him a lot, but I just think that's a little too high. I agree with for Jared verse, give me Bo Nicks.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: That was going to be my suggestion.
[00:44:00] Speaker B: Bo Nicks going.
[00:44:01] Speaker C: Bo Nicks overall.
[00:44:03] Speaker A: I guess it's your pick. I should let you explain it if.
[00:44:05] Speaker C: You want to, but I just think big take on know at first when he was at Auburn, I didn't really think he was really going to be that great. I thought he might have been a really late round pick if he would have went in after his mean he went to Oregon and he's just highest completion percentage Heisman finalist.
He just really had a really good year that just threw him into the first round. And I just think, yeah, his age is a little worrisome, but you can get him when you have a quarterback problem, which there's a lot of discourse between Russell Wilson and the whole Broncos front office with what would happen over the season and how he shouldn't have played.
[00:44:47] Speaker B: Right.
[00:44:47] Speaker C: I just think getting a quarterback that could last a little longer than that would work.
[00:44:52] Speaker A: I like it a lot. Bo Nicks is a he used to be a just kind of run around guy at Auburn. That was kind of his extending plays, but I think from a decision making standpoint, obviously didn't make very many mistakes at Oregon. Was crazy efficient, threw for a lot of yards, a lot of touchdowns. That being said, he's kind of a first read and run guy. Obviously you can learn that with years in the league, but I'm sure Sean Payton's okay with the guy who excels with throwing off the first read, who I think really Bonex really is good at that. His presnap decision making is great, and that's a good basis for Sean Payton to start with and again at twelve, quarterback class, real light next year. Go ahead and get a guy this year.
[00:45:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I like it.
Am I back up already that quickly?
Yes. The Raiders. Yeah. Well, this one's not going to take me that much longer. I know we're running out of time, so I can be quick with it, but this one already, I kind of had a fit here. I'm going with get ready for this name.
[00:45:49] Speaker A: Oh, boy.
[00:45:50] Speaker B: Excuse me, Jerson Newton.
[00:45:52] Speaker A: Oh, Drazan Newton. Yeah.
[00:45:53] Speaker B: Jersey Newton.
[00:45:53] Speaker A: Is he the Illinois guy?
[00:45:54] Speaker B: Yeah, defensive tackle.
[00:45:55] Speaker A: Oh, I love him. He's great.
[00:45:57] Speaker B: I think just like someone who embodies that classic Raiders like mentality, I think they're going to try to try to trade up and make a move for Jaden Daniels like we had mentioned earlier.
[00:46:08] Speaker A: Right.
[00:46:09] Speaker B: But it's going to be tough to do because they're going to have to outbid the Vikings and the Broncos, who are all in the same pick range. So it really comes down who has more to offer. But from right there, I like the Raiders. I mean, they got to work on that defense. And if they get Brian Denyuk as his brother sang and his girlfriend sang, then I think that's a good start at season.
Evan, you're back up on the board.
[00:46:31] Speaker C: Now before you make your pick.
[00:46:33] Speaker A: Oh, boy.
[00:46:35] Speaker C: I think the Steelers have a pick they would like to trade up for. Steelers 20th overall pick.
[00:46:42] Speaker D: I don't know.
In New Orleans, we're kind of dysfunctional. We might need to.
[00:46:47] Speaker B: We're kind of dysfunctional. You also have your second round pick. Who? The Saints.
[00:46:53] Speaker C: Saints? Yeah.
[00:46:54] Speaker D: We don't have a second round pick.
[00:46:55] Speaker C: No, the Eagles have it, so I'm saying you can get draft capital right here. You don't have a lot of draft capital. There's not a lot of cap space left.
[00:47:03] Speaker A: So I want to get a rookie.
[00:47:05] Speaker D: Contract is enticing because who I was about to pick is not my top pick, which maybe I shouldn't be telling you, but I'll accept your trade.
[00:47:13] Speaker C: You accept whatever it is.
[00:47:15] Speaker A: Whatever it is, assume it's a balanced trade.
[00:47:20] Speaker B: I like the thing that's a GM's actually.
I'll take it.
[00:47:24] Speaker C: Whatever. Now, I think the Steelers, besides really Joey Porter Jr. Their secondary was not great. Give me Cooper de Jean.
[00:47:33] Speaker B: Cooper de Jean. Wow. Really? Wow. Okay.
[00:47:36] Speaker A: Slot safety guy, nickel guy.
[00:47:39] Speaker C: They need something.
[00:47:40] Speaker B: I think he's definitely going to switch over to safety once he.
[00:47:42] Speaker A: You think so? I think he'll be in that nickel role, which he'll technically still be a corner.
[00:47:46] Speaker C: I think he'll be like Malcolm Jenkins role.
[00:47:48] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a great comparison. So who's up now? Am I Colts. Colts.
[00:47:54] Speaker A: The Colts. Would that be me? I think it would. So with the Colts, it is a little bit of a bummer that I can't get Jerson Newton with this. I did kind of want that. But that being said, with the Colts, I'm going to take Nate Wiggins.
[00:48:07] Speaker B: Nate Wiggins, great pick at a cornerback out of Clemson.
[00:48:09] Speaker A: Yeah. I think he is the best coverage defensive, you know, outside coverage cornerback in this class. And I think the Colts could definitely use that. Right.
[00:48:22] Speaker B: All right, so does that mean I'm.
[00:48:23] Speaker C: Back up with Seattle now?
This is a tough one. I think I will end up just going Jared versus here.
[00:48:32] Speaker B: Okay. I like it.
[00:48:33] Speaker C: Their edge has not really been great.
[00:48:35] Speaker B: I really like that pick, actually. I'm not going to tell you who I had going there, but I really like that selection right there.
[00:48:41] Speaker C: Do you really like it?
[00:48:42] Speaker B: I really like if I wasn't clear enough already for like the 10th time. All right, so I guess I'm back on the board. So jags right now. This is interesting. Oh, actually, no, not really. I'm going to go with Jackson Powers Johnson.
[00:48:56] Speaker A: That was easy.
[00:48:56] Speaker B: Center out of Oregon.
[00:48:58] Speaker A: There you go.
[00:48:58] Speaker B: I think that's just in my other mock. I had Lotu Latu going here, but I freaked out earlier, probably first of all, too high.
[00:49:07] Speaker C: What a name.
[00:49:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I know, honestly. But yeah. So give me Jackson Powers Johnson.
Evan, you're on the clock for the.
[00:49:15] Speaker D: Bengals, so this is pretty easy pick. They need offensive line. I'm going to pick Amarius mims out of Georgia.
[00:49:25] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:49:25] Speaker A: There you go.
[00:49:26] Speaker B: Wow. I like it.
[00:49:27] Speaker D: I got to select it. There we go.
[00:49:31] Speaker B: Actually write it in the call. Make the call. Okay. I like the move. Obviously, we all know that the offensive line has been a continuous theme throughout the drafts for the Bengals recently. And here they are. Continue with that selection. 19th overall pick, the LA Rams.
[00:49:45] Speaker A: With the LA Rams.
[00:49:48] Speaker B: Roll tide.
[00:49:50] Speaker A: Roll tide. Is that what you're telling me right now?
You think I should go for it?
We've talked about this before.
[00:49:57] Speaker B: That's why I said that.
[00:49:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I might as well give me. This may be rich for the context of the draft. That being said, I think this person's going to interview really well, but I'm going to take Terry on. Arnold. Terryon Arnold back out of Alabama. He's got all the tools.
I think those Rams coaches will be really excited to mold Arnold into a really good player.
[00:50:17] Speaker B: I like it. I personally like it.
[00:50:18] Speaker D: All right, Evan, that brings me back up with the Saints now.
[00:50:21] Speaker B: Yeah, Evan is back up because Conor made that trade with the Steelers earlier. So, Evan, you're back up.
[00:50:26] Speaker D: They desperately need all defensive line except for Cameron Jordan. They can get either an edge or a tackle. I'm between Chop Robinson or Byron Murphy or Leonard Taylor.
I'm going to go Byron Murphy and beef up their inside defensive line.
[00:50:45] Speaker B: Okay, Byron Murphy out of Texas. Great pickup for the Steelers right there.
Does that mean I'm up?
[00:50:51] Speaker C: Yeah, dolphins.
[00:50:52] Speaker B: Okay. If I'm up easy, I'm going to go with. I seem like this guy plays tackle, but you can put him pretty much at a guard, too. And I think that's definitely what the Dolphins need. I mean, it's funny. You're the Dolphins fan. Yes, definitely. So you actually took the guy? I actually had initially, but I'm actually going to go with.
He's out of Washington. I just lost his name. I'm so sorry. I had it. I don't know where it went.
Say that again.
[00:51:19] Speaker D: Troy Faultanu.
[00:51:20] Speaker B: Yes. Thank you so much. I literally had it and I don't know where it went, but. Troy foutanu. Is that how you say it? Yeah, probably.
[00:51:27] Speaker C: All right, Tanner. The Eagles.
[00:51:29] Speaker A: Oh, I have the Eagles pick.
[00:51:30] Speaker B: He's going to pick the worst.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: I'm going to crash you as franchise. I'm not going to lie to you. I was looking at the Texans pick. I couldn't tell you why, but that being said.
[00:51:39] Speaker C: Wait, no, it is.
[00:51:40] Speaker B: Evan.
[00:51:41] Speaker D: Oh, I'm the Eagles.
[00:51:42] Speaker B: Fantastic.
[00:51:43] Speaker A: I was.
[00:51:46] Speaker B: Forget. Oh, wow. We switched. Evan. So. All right, you're picking for my team now.
[00:51:51] Speaker D: So on my own research, I see y'all need defensive back, linebacker and o tackle.
So would you agree? Corners. The right move right here.
[00:52:02] Speaker B: That's what I have.
[00:52:04] Speaker D: Kool Aid, McKinstry.
[00:52:05] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:52:05] Speaker B: That's who I had going here, too, in my mock.
[00:52:07] Speaker A: So the Eagles were actually drafting a player.
[00:52:11] Speaker B: He was literally praying to the heavens.
[00:52:15] Speaker C: I did some research and they need linebacker and db. We never pick linebacker in the draft. I was like, are you really going to do this?
[00:52:22] Speaker B: Jeremiah Trotter, first round.
Yeah, I like it.
[00:52:26] Speaker A: That leaves me as the Texans texan picks, and I'm going to take Jackson Powers Johnson.
[00:52:31] Speaker B: I took him earlier. Oh, you did? Yeah, with Seattle.
[00:52:34] Speaker A: My bad.
[00:52:34] Speaker B: I mean, Jacksonville, remember? Yikes.
[00:52:37] Speaker A: Quick pivot then, because I wasn't paying attention. That means I'm going to move to.
I think there's still some good edge guys out there.
I'm going to go and just so I don't mess it up again, the edge guys that have been taken are lotu, Dallas, Turner and has Jared verse been taken?
[00:52:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:57] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:52:58] Speaker B: He took them with Seattle.
[00:52:59] Speaker A: That's what I thought. With that, I'm going to go with Braylon trice. Washington edge.
[00:53:04] Speaker B: Good spot for him, too. Yeah.
[00:53:06] Speaker A: Pretty good physicals somewhat on the. I guess maybe a little bit on the. Actually not really. On the lighter side, I think he's a pretty good run defender for some reason.
[00:53:14] Speaker B: I thought were going to say something else.
[00:53:15] Speaker A: Okay, no worries.
Whatever that means. But yeah, I'm going to stick with Braylon trice.
[00:53:20] Speaker B: Okay. Washington, I like it. All right, so, Connor, Cowboys. Cowboys nation, America's team, there's a pending.
[00:53:26] Speaker C: On you, right know this year, their red zone offense was very bad due to only having one back who was a speedback. And I know this sounds draft. Haven't they drafted Mozzie Smith last year? So they reach for a lot of talent. Give me Blake. Coram.
[00:53:45] Speaker A: Blake.
[00:53:46] Speaker B: First round.
[00:53:47] Speaker A: First round.
[00:53:48] Speaker C: They need a power back. I think they'll be willing to do this.
[00:53:51] Speaker B: Okay. I like mean, can you imagine Blake Corum and Derek Henry, like in a backfield together?
[00:53:58] Speaker A: Do you think that is Derrick Henry.
[00:54:00] Speaker B: All of a sudden?
[00:54:00] Speaker A: Guaranteed to be.
[00:54:01] Speaker B: No, I'm just saying Derek Henry was rumored to be shown interest in the Cowboys. So I was just saying for that. But I like the pickup. Blake Oram sneaks into the first round. Good for him. Packers, who actually beat the Cowboys in the playoffs. They're up. So is that me? I guess so, yeah. Jordan Morgan, I'm going with the tackle out of Arizona because David, I can't say his last name, but their left tackle, he's been struggling with knee injuries. I just think it's about this time where they move on. And plus, he's been kind of teasing going over to the jets to play with his boy Rogers. So maybe that goes somewhere, but who knows? We're in the final stretch for the pick, so we're going to go really quick here to wrap things. Yep.
Evan, you're the Tampa Bay Bucks.
[00:54:43] Speaker A: Chop Robinson.
[00:54:44] Speaker B: Chop Robinson. That was quick. I like it. Chop Robinson. Let's go.
[00:54:47] Speaker A: I'm taking Brian Thomas Jr. As the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
[00:54:50] Speaker D: Oh, I'm the Tampa bay.
[00:54:51] Speaker B: Yeah, he just took him as the. Oh, you did?
[00:54:54] Speaker A: Same pick for the Cardinals. I literally was just looking at the bucks on my screen, but yes. Brian Thomas Jr. Cardinals.
[00:54:59] Speaker B: Okay, perfect.
Bills.
[00:55:02] Speaker C: I'm going to go. JC Lantham.
[00:55:04] Speaker A: Good pick.
[00:55:05] Speaker B: That's a good pick. I like it. I forgot he was still on the board. Wow. Back to me, Lions. I'm going to go with.
Honestly, I just think Quinyan Mitchell hasn't been taken. Right. I think they need a cornerback. I'm going to go with Quinyan Mitchell. I think they just need a cornerback. I think they're not that far off. Evan.
[00:55:23] Speaker D: For the Ravens, Keon Coleman.
[00:55:25] Speaker B: Wow. Wow.
[00:55:26] Speaker C: I like that.
[00:55:27] Speaker A: Very early ravens. That's very early. I'm going to take Ennis Rackastraw, the Missouri cornerback.
[00:55:33] Speaker B: Yeah, we were talking about that Missouri team. They actually performed very well under the radar team.
[00:55:38] Speaker A: They had an awesome season.
[00:55:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Now, who are you on? 49 ers, right? Yeah.
[00:55:43] Speaker C: No, I'm the Chiefs.
[00:55:45] Speaker B: Wait, the 49 ers is before.
[00:55:47] Speaker A: I just picked the Niners.
[00:55:48] Speaker B: Oh, you did?
[00:55:49] Speaker A: That was my pick.
[00:55:50] Speaker B: I'm sorry.
[00:55:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Rocket straw.
[00:55:51] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:55:52] Speaker A: For the Niners cornerback.
[00:55:53] Speaker C: So, the last pick of the first round, Lad McConky.
[00:55:58] Speaker B: Really?
[00:55:58] Speaker A: Lad McConky.
[00:55:59] Speaker B: I like it.
[00:56:00] Speaker A: He said Keon Coleman was a reach and we're taking Lad McConkey.
[00:56:03] Speaker C: I thought we might as well reach.
[00:56:05] Speaker B: I had Keon Coleman going to the Chiefs, but I guess they're interchangeable. Either them or Troy Franklin, too, from Oregon. Right. I mean, either way, if you're the Chiefs, you're coming away with a good player. And I like that pick you made, Connor, getting into the first round, I think you had two big surprise picks. But I like them both great fits and maybe we'll see what happens. But thank you for listening. This has been our mock trial of the NFL draft.
[00:56:28] Speaker A: Mock trial?
[00:56:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Mock draft, my bad. But thank you for listening and be sure to catch us next week. You're listening to the student section. NFL on WVUA 90.7.
