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[00:00:00] Speaker A: WVUA FM, Tuscaloosa.
[00:00:15] Speaker B: I already said that.
[00:00:17] Speaker A: No longer.
[00:00:18] Speaker B: No longer with us.
Wait a second. He is actually still there in some capacity in the office.
[00:00:25] Speaker A: I was just going to say, no longer a head coach of the Alabama.
[00:00:29] Speaker B: He is not. No longer with us.
[00:00:30] Speaker A: Head coach Elliot took it a step further.
[00:00:33] Speaker B: Sorry, guys, I skipped a couple of chapters.
[00:00:34] Speaker A: That is true. I mean, I guess since we haven't had the time to talk about it, how do we feel about the.
[00:00:42] Speaker C: I think. I think of the available options. I think it was the best. I think it was the best we could have. The available options. Obviously, Dan Lanning, he said he was staying. Obviously, Sark, we weren't going to get him anyway. Obviously he said he was staying. Obviously, Kirby Smart was on the. I mean, let's be real. Kirby smart, he's not leaving Georgia.
What he's trying to build at Georgia is what Saban has. Just what Saban just did for the last 17 years.
[00:01:06] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:01:07] Speaker C: So he's not going to be leaving. So I think of the available options, I feel like it's the best one that we could have gotten.
[00:01:13] Speaker A: Right, Elliot?
[00:01:15] Speaker B: Just because.
Just because somebody has an Alabama tie, and since we didn't get to talk about it, I'll get into the spiels of text conversations, phone conversations, WhatsApp calls and fax messages that I have sent to other people.
[00:01:30] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:01:30] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:01:31] Speaker B: Just because somebody has a tie to the University of Alabama does not mean that they are a candidate for the job.
[00:01:36] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:01:37] Speaker B: There is absolutely zero reason Kirby Smart would leave. There is absolutely zero reason Dan Laney would leave. There's absolutely zero reason that Sarkeesian would leave.
[00:01:45] Speaker C: Right.
[00:01:46] Speaker A: They all have.
[00:01:46] Speaker D: Especially.
[00:01:47] Speaker A: I mean, Oregon and Texas are incredibly well funded schools. The programs are great. They are backed by every resource that these schools have. Why else would you leave? There's no other reason to especially know.
[00:01:59] Speaker B: The way college football and even Kiffin. Right. Ole Miss is probably, arguably a better SEC team right now at this.
[00:02:07] Speaker A: Lane, I don't know if Lane Kiffin was offered the job before.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: No, what I'm saying is that why would Lane Kiffin leave? Because people floated that idea around. There's no reason for him to leave.
[00:02:16] Speaker A: I think that if we didn't get Kaylan, Deborah, I think Kiffin was probably pretty likely. But that may mean. Based on what? But I mean, hell, maybe he was know.
I guess we'll never know.
I really hope we'll never know. I hope we stick with this guy for a while.
[00:02:36] Speaker B: So, to top it off, okay, out of the available pool, as Graham has pointed out.
[00:02:43] Speaker A: Right.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: We picked the ripest fruit.
[00:02:47] Speaker A: Yeah. I would say 104 and twelve one at every level.
He's turned around losing program.
[00:02:53] Speaker B: He has turned around losing.
[00:02:55] Speaker A: He is a proven winner.
[00:02:57] Speaker B: I'll get into my concerns because obviously he's got the offensive mindset. Obviously he has the winning record. So looks good on paper, but not everything is as it seems.
[00:03:08] Speaker A: Right.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: Okay. And so here's my big thing. I don't know. And we have kind of seen this already. And I had this concern immediately when he was hired and it's kind of played out in that way a little bit. I was a little concerned with the recruiting and the retention. That was going to be my main issue. I did not know if he was going to be able to hang with the SEC.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: Right.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: And immediately, well, some guys had just left because they were going to leave.
[00:03:32] Speaker A: They were going to leave. Nick Saban wasn't there. Exactly.
[00:03:35] Speaker B: That was just going to happen.
Bye bye to let's go through the list, Isaiah Bonds.
There's black Shire.
[00:03:43] Speaker A: Seth McLaughlin.
[00:03:44] Speaker B: Seth McLaughlin.
[00:03:46] Speaker C: Caleb Downs.
[00:03:47] Speaker B: Caleb Downs.
[00:03:48] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: Oh, Julian saying, okay, terry on Arnold.
[00:03:51] Speaker C: Went to the draft.
[00:03:52] Speaker B: Well, he went to the draft, but that's different.
[00:03:53] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:03:53] Speaker A: He will be a future, which is a bummer. Man, I miss Terry Arnold already.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: He's a future Steeler anyway.
But the point is that these are a lot of top end talent and until recently, Ryan Williams did just commit.
You could say, oh, well, he got the five star receiver back.
Okay. But there was like, for a period of like three weeks, we were like, he's probably going to go to Auburn or something like, I mean, I'm glad that he convinced him to stay.
[00:04:21] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: That's a great thing. I know that they just got a four star edge rusher from North Carolina to stay or to commit over here. And so that's great. No, there's a transfer, offensive lineman from Washington. We got their punt returner. Right, wide receiver. Yippee. Okay. So we've had a little bit of influx, but the max exodus out is.
[00:04:44] Speaker A: Astounding with the transfer portal rules. And when it will reopen for the spring, that will be a big part of like that.
[00:04:55] Speaker B: We'll be able to see the true fallout once that point hits.
[00:04:59] Speaker A: Honestly, I think, well, right now we've seen the true fallout we're seeing right now because players can transfer from Alabama to anywhere, so they can do that. We're not seeing the good parts of the transfer board that would be for our situation.
[00:05:14] Speaker B: We're just watching everyone leave because it's like, oh, your coach left or something. So you have that 30 because they.
[00:05:19] Speaker A: Go whatever they want right now. Caleb down, Soho State, obviously. And as much as that sucks, I'm really just glad that you can go to Georgia because I think he would have been an unreal piece for that Georgia defense.
[00:05:28] Speaker B: I actually thought whenever they got our secondary coach another loss. Oh, I forgot that on the max exodus also. Bye bye. Tommy Reese.
[00:05:38] Speaker A: What's his new position?
[00:05:39] Speaker B: Officially tight ends coach for the Browns.
[00:05:41] Speaker A: That's what it is. Yeah, that's where Tommy Reese, good for him.
[00:05:44] Speaker B: Good luck seeing you in the AFC north, budy. Okay, you guys will, who's your quarterback? Who's our quarterback?
[00:05:50] Speaker A: Yeah, Rudolph. Can you pick it?
[00:05:53] Speaker B: Honestly, I'm not mad. I'm not mad about it. Okay, you know what, because just like, I wish that there was a transfer portal in football, Mitchell Trubisky would be okay on the way out.
[00:06:05] Speaker A: Right?
[00:06:05] Speaker B: Okay, so I want to see the new OC. I don't know who it's going to be. Maybe they'll get a college guy. Maybe they're going to pick someone up off the scrap heap like they always do. Or maybe they'll just hire Matt Canada again and be like, new year, new me.
[00:06:23] Speaker A: New year, new me. Thomas Brown would be new year, same me. I think in terms of hiring, I.
[00:06:28] Speaker B: Actually be new year worse. Actually, I've actually regressed. So I actually have a negative influence.
[00:06:34] Speaker A: On what is the opposite of a new year's resolution.
[00:06:36] Speaker B: It would literally be like, okay, our offense is bad. How can we make it worse?
[00:06:40] Speaker A: What can we do to make it.
[00:06:41] Speaker B: That being said, with the board starting.
[00:06:43] Speaker A: Kenny Pickett anyway, keep going.
[00:06:44] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:06:46] Speaker A: It's objectively true now, subjectively.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: Okay, I need to see him with the real OC. Not according to the Steelers, but anyway, he's the starter.
[00:06:54] Speaker A: Next.
[00:06:54] Speaker B: Okay, speaking of coaching staffs, okay, I am impressed with Dubor's staff that he brought in. I do like it.
[00:07:00] Speaker A: I agree.
[00:07:01] Speaker B: I like the OC. I'm a little surprised that some of the offensive players that transferred were like NY black too and everything. Right? I forgot about Nyblack.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: You would think that they would only be like from this, even from just the hire by itself, even if it was just Deborah, if you're these offensive skill guys, I mean, I'm really surprised that you're keen.
[00:07:20] Speaker B: So that's the mean and so it's a little shocking in that regard. And that's why the retention is kind of an issue for me because he wasn't able to retain top end.
[00:07:29] Speaker A: The only one I think I would understand is bond to Texas because that is a proven high power offense. They've got a quarterback who's probably going to go high in the draft. I understand that over the other things, like Kaden Proctor to Iowa, things like that. Like that guy was going to be a starting tackle for Alabama in the SEC in the place where it's the most competitive line play in the mean.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: And maybe it's one of those things. I get it. It's tiring.
[00:07:53] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:07:53] Speaker B: And maybe he just wanted to be on the field less. Iowa doesn't play that much offense, so, I mean, he has a little bit more of a breather, but it's one of those things where it's a little shocking that he wasn't able to retain all these guys, especially when he brought in the OC from Washington in which they transformed Michael Pennix from a lowly soul, an injury riddled like five yard checkdown merchant at Indiana, to a gunslinging. I'm going to throw it down field and also throw five yard down.
[00:08:23] Speaker C: And the receiving core that he ended.
[00:08:24] Speaker B: And he also had a crazy receiving core. So I just thought it was a little bit interesting that they were like, initially the max exodus, especially on offense, was like, I can understand defense. Yeah, this gets into my second concern, I would say, is the fact that this is a completely paradigm shift from not theology, ideology standpoint.
[00:08:46] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:08:47] Speaker B: Yeah, there we go. And so, like Alabama under Nick Saban, obviously very defensive minded.
[00:08:51] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:08:51] Speaker B: With Deborah, that's completely flipped.
[00:08:53] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:08:54] Speaker B: Offense was not usually what the strength of the team was. It was usually the defense that was bailing out the offense.
[00:09:00] Speaker A: Right.
[00:09:01] Speaker B: I don't know if that's going to.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: Work over the past few years. Obviously, it's one of those things where people say defense wins champions, but then at the next level people say it, you need to go get an offensive coordinator as your head coach because you need to have a constantly developing offense in the modern.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: And while defense wins you championships. I think the thing is, players are so good now and they are so far developed, that it's not just a defense that can win you championships, you at least have to have a semi competent offense. And you even see that in the NFL right now.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:09:31] Speaker B: Even teams that are top ranked in defensive capabilities, if they have an inability to score, that's a huge issue.
[00:09:39] Speaker D: Cough. Cough.
[00:09:39] Speaker B: The Steelers.
[00:09:40] Speaker A: And that's something that we've seen at Alabama is that we've seen the. Especially this past year, defense was incredibly high rated, and the offense really struck early on, and there was a lack of creativity, there was a lack of playmaking. There was a lot of things that just, we couldn't seem to get right, and that's hopefully something that Deborah brings with him. But then again, we are missing the defense who kept us in a lot of games and won us a lot of games. And it's just one of those things where I'm really excited to see what the new offense looks like. I think we'll probably see a more explosive and creative offense in Brian Denny than there has been a very long time. Exactly.
But then again, that defense, man, there's cause for concern.
Again, it's also a relatively unproven guy. Being the head coach from South Alabama, being the new defensive.
[00:10:33] Speaker B: It'S like, isn't it like a co defensive coordinator situation that they have? Because they hired another guy who's kind of like helping out like some senior assistant to him or whatever, and they're kind of like doing it together. So it's one of those things. But you speak about offensive inconsistency. I think it's interesting, their last two offensive coordinators. So Tommy Reese goes from being the OC at Notre Dame, the OC at Bama, and now he's a tight ends.
[00:10:53] Speaker A: Coach for the Browns.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: It's kind of a bit of a downgrade.
[00:11:00] Speaker A: You'd at least hope he gets, like quarterbacks coach or something.
[00:11:02] Speaker B: Exactly right. Well, you would think that he would at least get maybe like passing game coordinator or running game coordinator. He's like just a position coach now, and it's not even like a main position coach. It's like one of the secondary skill positions, right?
[00:11:15] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:16] Speaker B: And then O'Brien's bouncing around from team to like, he's like LeBron trying to search for another.
[00:11:23] Speaker A: And Ohio State might be the place, but let's keep moving.
[00:11:26] Speaker B: Well, it might be the place, but I mean, the thing, though, is that I saw what Bill O'Brien did with Bryce Young, who was considered at the time to be the most generational talent quarterback, and he made Jamir Gibbs as well look like a bona fide scrub. Okay. And I watched a Jameer Gibbs on the Detroit Lions, and I'm like, where was this Jamir Gibbs?
[00:11:48] Speaker A: He was great.
[00:11:48] Speaker C: Okay, remember when you were saying earlier in the season, you're like, man, they really wasted.
[00:11:53] Speaker B: They wasted.
[00:11:57] Speaker C: The Lions. You're like, man.
[00:12:02] Speaker B: I still maintain the fact that that was a really rich pick because I still think he would have been available later on.
[00:12:07] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:12:08] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:12:09] Speaker B: Same with Jack Campbell. I do not understand how the Lions drafted those players, but it worked.
[00:12:15] Speaker A: They picked a running back and an off ball linebacker.
[00:12:18] Speaker B: It worked out. But that is maybe the worst positional value that you could have gotten out of the players.
[00:12:23] Speaker A: The only two positions you don't take in the first round, they took, and.
[00:12:27] Speaker B: It worked out, and that's great for the Lions. Okay, I'm happy for you guys, but at the end of the day. Okay, but I was going off of the Jameer Gibbs that I saw at Alabama, and I was like, that's a complete waste of a pick. That pick stinks.
[00:12:40] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:12:41] Speaker B: I'm watching Jameer Gibbs, and he looks like the second coming of.
I mean, how did Bill O'Brien manage to make Jameer Gibbs look like? I'm trying to think of a really irrelevant running back right now.
Like a really irrelevant. That was, like, infamous for being bad.
[00:13:02] Speaker A: Infamous for being bad?
[00:13:04] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:13:06] Speaker A: I don't know, man.
I feel like there's one of those things almost, too. I have a lot of ideas in my head, right.
[00:13:12] Speaker B: But if it's, like, a common name, then it's not.
But they made him look like that. He was going to be, like, the UFL MVP or something.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: Okay, UFL MVP.
[00:13:21] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:13:21] Speaker B: But that's the night and day difference, right, that I've seen. Jamir Gibbs looked like a bust. I just was like, oh, well, we got him from Georgia Tech. He's really good and everything. He was like, oh, he's average, right? And then he goes off, and he.
[00:13:35] Speaker A: When I saw him, just mainly, especially in person in these games, him, especially when he was with Bryce Young, they were the only two reasons that that offense was successful.
[00:13:48] Speaker B: But that's the thing, though. But they were hamstrung. I mean, by the fact that they were the only reasons why the offense was successful.
[00:13:53] Speaker A: And also, something I noticed throughout the season, or especially with Bryce Young under Bill O'Brien, was you. When you're in the general course of the game, when you're in drives with plenty of time left early on in the halves, not much went on. But when you saw Bryce Young at his best was when there was two minute drills, when there was little time left to where you can't go to the sideline and you can't get that full play call every time.
[00:14:20] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:14:20] Speaker A: You were driving your team down the field, and that is when Bryce Young.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: Was at his best. But you see that there's a lot of quarterbacks, especially ones that have bad offensive coordinators. Teams will perform better in the final two minutes of their games or whatever, or, like, when it's crunch time and you saw that. And so I think that's a coordinator issue, especially when it really seems like the quarterback is really calling the shots here. Right. So they went from Reese.
[00:14:42] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:14:42] Speaker B: And I'm not even going to get into. We've already talked about Tommy, the offensive liabilities on that end.
[00:14:48] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:14:49] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: And then Bill O'Brien, I don't think was any better. I mean, I don't know what Ryan day sees in him.
[00:14:54] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:14:54] Speaker B: Because like I said, you watched him look at a generational talent at quarterback, right.
And they couldn't win a like, honestly, one of the biggest things that I think was a shame is that Bryson never got a national championship.
[00:15:08] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:15:09] Speaker B: He's too talented to not have gotten.
[00:15:11] Speaker A: Far too talented. I mean, he was an unreal college quarterback.
[00:15:14] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying.
[00:15:14] Speaker A: Unbelievable. In college.
[00:15:16] Speaker B: Exactly. Okay, so who does he have at his disposal now? Will Howard.
Okay. I mean, to be fair, he also has quintron Judkins.
[00:15:24] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:15:24] Speaker B: He has new center. He sure does, actually. A familiar face for him.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: That quarterback better have hands, man. That's all I'm going to say. You better be ready to make some plays in the backfield.
[00:15:34] Speaker B: Hey, you know what? Like, in baseball, they may not like that sticky tack, but I'm just saying, the refs are not checking your glove for that.
[00:15:42] Speaker A: Checking the glove. That's funny. Yeah. I think with that, we're going to go to break for a few minutes and then we'll be back to talk about any of the massive news that we missed while we were gone. But for now, we are going to see you guys in a few minutes.
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to our student section, college football. Once again, my name is Tanner. Along with Elliot and Graham, we've talked about most of the news, Alabama related news mostly, I would say, but most.
[00:16:40] Speaker B: Of it, and I think the one that we've forgotten is that roll Tide Willie is probably the newest recruiter on our staff here.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: Probably so.
[00:16:47] Speaker B: I mean, like this one. Shout out. Roll tide Willie. Can I get a roll tide from you guys?
That was so embarrassing. Roll tide.
[00:16:55] Speaker C: Blitz, bama, blitz.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: Blitz, bama, blitz. Oh, man. But actually, we talked about Ryan Williams a little bit, but he did speak to roll Tide Willie, and he is committed.
[00:17:06] Speaker C: And he posted about it, too.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: He did post about it.
[00:17:09] Speaker B: I know.
That's crazy. If it were, how much money does roll tide Willie bring? Like, nil wise?
[00:17:16] Speaker A: I don't know.
I'd have to guess completely.
At one point, do you think he joins the staff in some capacity?
[00:17:25] Speaker B: I think he's already on a staff.
[00:17:28] Speaker A: You know what, actually, defensive line coach.
[00:17:30] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:17:30] Speaker B: Well, actually, it's one of those things.
[00:17:32] Speaker D: Right.
[00:17:32] Speaker B: Well, Saban, he still has like an office here. He's still with the team. Somehow I'm sure that he's got an office right next to Saban. Roll tide, Willie. It's like, right up there.
[00:17:39] Speaker A: Yeah. You think the nameplate would say roll tide, Willie.
[00:17:41] Speaker B: I think it would.
[00:17:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it would.
[00:17:44] Speaker B: Coach Willie doesn't really like Coach Willie or like recruiter Willie. Like, it doesn't roll off the tongue, but recruiter. Roll tide, willie, that recruiter roll tied Willie that hits.
[00:17:54] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:17:54] Speaker B: Like, there's just something about that just tickles my neurons.
[00:17:57] Speaker A: Okay, your neurons, dude. Oh, my gosh. All right.
[00:18:03] Speaker B: Speaking of something that also tickles my neurons. Okay, Jim Harbaugh's gone.
Let's go.
Gone to the Chargers, where he can go waste Herbert's career even more.
[00:18:14] Speaker A: Yeah. How do we feel about the hire? Genuinely, for the context of the Chargers?
[00:18:17] Speaker B: Genuinely. It's better for the Chargers because Brandon Staley has about the. What is. He knows how to manage time.
If he was like a kindergartner that was waiting to be fed his airplane of peas.
[00:18:31] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:18:31] Speaker A: He knows how to manage time if the goal was to not have any time left on the clock.
[00:18:36] Speaker B: There's nothing that I think sums up Brandon Staley's tenure with the Chargers better than whenever. He could have just not called the timeout and the Raiders and them would have tied. They would have both made the playoffs. The Steelers actually would have been left out. And everyone was telling me before the game, oh, there's nothing to sweat about. They're not going to tie. Me and my dad are watching this game all the way through and we're like, you got to be kidding me.
[00:18:55] Speaker D: Okay?
[00:18:56] Speaker B: And then all of a sudden he's like, you know what? You know what? They're out of field goal range, but you know what? I think I'm going to take a time out. Strategic. Strategic time out. I'm going to save myself a little bit of time in case they decide to give me the ball.
Know? And then Derek Carr said, okay, and then Josh Jacobs, I'll put the team on my back and the rest is history. And then we got blown out in the first round. So thank you, Raiders. Okay, so at the end of the.
[00:19:27] Speaker A: Day, we're good for at least, I'm going to say four to five. Elliot rants, monologues soliloquies, whatever word you want to call it. I think we're good to at least four or five probably. I'm going to shoot for like ten dramatic pauses in a show. How do we feel about that, Grant?
[00:19:40] Speaker B: What are we already at?
[00:19:42] Speaker A: Oh, dude, I don't even know. We could have hit the over already.
[00:19:44] Speaker B: Like six maybe.
Let's say six for the sake.
[00:19:47] Speaker A: We'll call it six.
[00:19:48] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:19:49] Speaker B: Anyway, Jim Harbaugh been in the league before. He knows how to win in the NFL. He knows how to win in college. He's a winner. Okay, much like we said with Caleb Dupor, right? Two different styles completely.
[00:20:00] Speaker D: Okay?
[00:20:00] Speaker B: But he's a winner.
[00:20:02] Speaker A: I think the biggest benefit that Harbaugh brings is that in the NFL, I think it's very rare to find guys who contribute significantly from an X's and O's perspective, from a scheme perspective, and also from a culture perspective. And I think it's something that Jim Harbaugh really offers and that is rare to find in the NFL, especially someone who does it at a high level. Because if you think about all the culture guys in the know, variable comes to mind out of a job.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: Right.
[00:20:31] Speaker C: And unbelievably out of that was very surprising to.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: And now with the Falcons taking Raheem Morris, the Panthers have hired Dave Canales. Chargers have obviously taken Harbaugh. How many open jobs does that leave?
[00:20:47] Speaker B: Commanders? Patriots. No, that's right. They have Mayo. I'm losing it.
[00:20:54] Speaker A: That leaves the commanders.
[00:20:55] Speaker B: Commanders. I'm trying to think, like, coast wise, like, going across the US.
[00:20:59] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:21:02] Speaker B: Sorry, guys. This is a college football show, not an NFL show. I actually don't know.
[00:21:07] Speaker C: They found their coach.
[00:21:10] Speaker B: Which.
[00:21:10] Speaker A: Shout out Bryce Young.
[00:21:12] Speaker B: Oh, Seahawks.
[00:21:13] Speaker A: Seahawks.
[00:21:14] Speaker B: Seahawks.
[00:21:15] Speaker A: Wow. Pete Carroll's not the head coach of the Seahawks anymore.
[00:21:17] Speaker B: Yeah. You know what? He might get another office next to roll tide, Willie.
Senior recruiter Pete Carroll for has a nice ring to it.
[00:21:27] Speaker C: How about that recruiting team? Roll tide.
[00:21:28] Speaker B: Roll tide, Willie. Nick Saban and Pete Carroll in the same room together.
[00:21:32] Speaker A: Are you kidding me?
[00:21:32] Speaker B: Really? I mean, it's like one legend and it's really. Roll tide, Willie.
[00:21:39] Speaker A: Roll tide, Willie here.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: But I mean, no, it's one of those things. But in regards to Michigan, how does this affect Michigan? Right. Obviously, the Chargers are like, woo.
[00:21:50] Speaker A: Right?
[00:21:50] Speaker B: Just Hermbert's like, yes, I'm not wasted anymore.
[00:21:54] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:21:55] Speaker B: But Michigan right now, they're like, we got our national championship, but at what cost, right?
[00:22:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And quite frankly, I think they go internal.
[00:22:03] Speaker B: Well, they're going to go sure. Own more.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: That's what I figured. Is that official?
[00:22:06] Speaker B: I think so.
[00:22:08] Speaker A: I always assumed it would be practically official.
[00:22:10] Speaker B: It's practically a done deal. And you know what some Michigan fans may be saying? What do we do to deserve this? We win our national championship. We dominate. And quite frankly, I think it comes back to the.
[00:22:24] Speaker A: Cheating.
[00:22:24] Speaker B: To quote Chris Finch, okay, head coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves, we totally disrespected the game ourselves and we got exactly what we deserved, okay?
[00:22:33] Speaker A: And that's what they did.
[00:22:34] Speaker B: And that's exactly what happened. You got your natty. He's gone. You guys are going to stink now. Okay, I'm sorry.
Legitimately, though, who do you have? Your entire team graduated. They're all gone. Every single one of them.
[00:22:47] Speaker A: Did even like Donovan Edwards stay or is he's running the draft?
[00:22:51] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure their entire roster, their starting roster from top to bottom, offense, defense and special teams is just gone because they were all like 27 years old.
[00:23:02] Speaker D: Okay?
[00:23:02] Speaker A: Now, meanwhile, Ohio State, still coached by Ryan day.
[00:23:06] Speaker B: So we'll find a way to lose.
[00:23:07] Speaker A: There's a bit of a test.
[00:23:08] Speaker B: We'll find a way to find a way to lose. I cannot wait for JJ McCarthy's like eight year old brother to beat Will Howard in the shoe. Okay?
[00:23:20] Speaker A: It's going to be David Orgy starting Alex Orgy.
[00:23:26] Speaker B: Right. Alex.
[00:23:27] Speaker A: Excuse me. I thought it was David. My bad.
[00:23:28] Speaker B: Well, maybe he has a brother named David. Maybe he's transferring in.
[00:23:31] Speaker A: Maybe he's transferring in. You never really know. But yeah. Again, Sharon Moore, likely the next guy there.
[00:23:39] Speaker B: And we know Sharon Moore. He loves Harbaugh.
[00:23:41] Speaker A: He did.
[00:23:42] Speaker B: He loves. He was emphatic about it. He loves coach Harbaugh. So, Chargers fans, you got a good guy right there.
[00:23:49] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:23:50] Speaker A: You got a good guy. Oh, man. But I kind of wanted to talk about something I mentioned because, know, we're in a space of college football to know it's not the most eventful time, you could say. But in terms of alumni directly related to the University of Alabama, where this show comes from, big changes have happened for those guys at that level in the NFL mainly, and I don't want to make this biased because I am a Carolina Panthers fan, but Bryce Young in the Carolina Panthers hiring Dave canals, as we mentioned a little bit earlier, I think that is a huge play for one, the future of Bryce Young, the Panthers. I am. Yet I'm going to wait to declare that home run higher.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: Y'all still need an OC, right?
[00:24:39] Speaker A: Because pretty much Dave Canales, I'm guessing will be a play caller, essentially be the play caller and will be the.
[00:24:44] Speaker B: Biggest brown out officially, or is he still there? He's looking for a lateral move. It wasn't clear whenever the dialogue has.
[00:24:52] Speaker A: Been that he will be out, especially like after Reich was fired, the dialogue was that he was going to be fired.
We just needed him to be there to physically have someone call plays. I think that was the overall mentality with it, and I can't imagine that Brown stays. Canals will likely bring in one or two guys that he likes. And again, I think I'm not as worried about the OC position with Dave Canals'head coach, who is an offensive, almost purely offensive guy. I think the biggest thing for that team is maintaining Giro Evero, the defensive coordinator, who is being looked at by a lot of teams. But I am somewhat optimistic that he can stay.
[00:25:33] Speaker B: Not many opportunities left job wise for him to move mean. But I think the big thing is that with Brown likely out, right.
Well, even with Canals being hired, right. What it is is that there is now a, you can even talk about Raheem Morris with Atlanta because the offensive coordinator Domino is now starting the fall. There's a bunch of teams who need an offensive coordinator. So the Falcons need one. The Panthers need one. The Buccaneers now need one. Okay. The Steelers need one.
Who needs one now? Oh, the Ram, not the Rams, need a DC. They need a DC.
But the thing is that Raheem Morris is likely to bring over the passing game coordinator Zach Robinson, which a lot of teams were interested in. Right. The Bengals need an offensive coordinator. Oh, no, they did get their offense. It's their quarterbacks coach. But now they needed a quarterbacks coach because they promoted their quarterbacks coach. Okay, the Seahawks need an offensive coordinator because Pete Carroll and Shane Waldron just got hired by the Carroll. No, Pete Carroll's gone.
[00:26:42] Speaker A: You just said Pete Carroll.
[00:26:43] Speaker B: No, but Pete Carroll's gone. But Shane Waldron just got hired by the need.
[00:26:47] Speaker A: Pete Carroll and Shane Waldron got hired by the Bears and I was something crazy.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: This is a college football show. I'm out of my element right now.
[00:26:57] Speaker A: You find a way to bring up the Steelers in every show we've ever had, and you're talking like you're out of your element now that we're.
[00:27:02] Speaker B: I'm out of my element.
[00:27:03] Speaker A: That's a good point.
[00:27:04] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:27:04] Speaker B: But anyway, so the Seahawks need an offensive coordinator, too, because Waldron's not there. Right. So how does this affect the, you know, maybe canal surprises you. Maybe he's like, I really want Zach Robinson or something like, you know, and you're like, oh, that's also, it's also.
[00:27:22] Speaker C: Possible the Lions may need an offensive corner because I think it's very Ben Johnson will. My guess, he's probably going to be.
I would say commanders are sealed. I would say commanders.
[00:27:31] Speaker B: Why would you want to go to the Washington commanders?
[00:27:34] Speaker C: I don't know, but that's just what the rumor has been is commanders.
[00:27:37] Speaker B: The rumor mill is that, wait, there's a rumor?
[00:27:39] Speaker A: If Ben Johnson was commanders, it was.
[00:27:43] Speaker C: Really like the Panthers or the commanders. And obviously now the Panthers have their coach.
[00:27:47] Speaker A: So if I had to guess, I.
[00:27:48] Speaker C: Would say the commanders.
[00:27:49] Speaker B: What I think is interesting is the fact that these teams, on hiring their coaches are not waiting for the coordinators that are currently still in the playoffs because there are only two spots left head coaching wise.
[00:28:02] Speaker D: Right.
[00:28:02] Speaker B: We listed the commanders and the Seahawks.
[00:28:04] Speaker A: Those are the two, I believe.
[00:28:06] Speaker B: So Ben Johnson is still available. That was like the highly touted Bobby Sloick. No, he's with the Texans, but he's been highly regarded. They just got bounced.
[00:28:18] Speaker A: But a lot of people have looked.
[00:28:20] Speaker B: For, everyone has been looking at Bobby.
[00:28:21] Speaker A: Sloick and I think deservedly so.
[00:28:23] Speaker B: Right.
[00:28:24] Speaker A: He just shouts a great player. But to have a quarterback put up the numbers and say go that far in the playoffs, it's unbelievable. There has to be. And again, I truly don't want to disrespect CJ Stroud because I think he's an unbelievable player. But there does have to be.
[00:28:36] Speaker B: There's a coordinator behind the scenes that.
[00:28:38] Speaker A: Are making his job way easier.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: Oh, for know. And so it's one of those things. I just think it's know these highly touted offensive guys like Sloick and like they're getting passed up. I'm surprised that the Falcons went the Raheem Morris route. Actually, I'm not. Especially he was with the Falcons, which.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: Makes it a shame because they just wasted three years of Arthur Smith because Raheem Morris was the interim before Arthur Smith was hired.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Which it makes them look silly.
[00:29:03] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:29:03] Speaker B: And quite frankly, I don't know if.
[00:29:04] Speaker A: It rivals 28 three, but I'm from Atlanta. I have friends, center, Falcons fans. I'm not going to comment any further.
[00:29:12] Speaker B: On for legal reasons. Tanner Thompson has been advised to not comment further, but it's one of those things. I think it's know everyone dogs on Arthur Smith. Oh, man. You weren't able to maximize B John and Kyle Pitts and Desmond Ritter.
[00:29:28] Speaker D: What?
[00:29:28] Speaker A: You have to have made those same comments before.
[00:29:31] Speaker B: Well, he hasn't.
[00:29:32] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:29:33] Speaker B: He stinks.
[00:29:33] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:29:34] Speaker B: As someone who has had those guys on my fantasy team, respectfully, Arthur Smith, tickle your neurons.
[00:29:42] Speaker D: Okay?
[00:29:43] Speaker A: Tickle your neurons. Is that like the, that's why I do phrase.
[00:29:47] Speaker B: That is the phrase of the show.
[00:29:49] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:29:49] Speaker A: Good lord.
[00:29:49] Speaker B: That's the theme of the show. Neurology. Anyway.
But the biggest thing that I have to say is how do you have all these top end offensive talents and you guys, especially in the red zone, are so egregiously bad. I mean, it is like comical to watch them try because Ritter's throwing like picks on the 1 yd line and stuff like that like every other.
How, what are you doing?
[00:30:15] Speaker A: My favorite was the third string tight end throwing a pass to the second string tight end while Kyle Pitts was blocking for both of them.
[00:30:21] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:30:21] Speaker B: I mean it's stuff like that that makes you think, okay, why is this guy the coach? And that's fair, but you have a lot of offensive weapons and you got a pretty decent defense and a defensive coordinator. Why did you not hire an offensive, a coach?
Why did you not hire an offensive coach? You have all these top end offensive talents. I would have thought. Let's say you hire sloick, you hire Ben Johnson. Well, now we're saying, okay, once you get a quarterback you might be pretty good. Now, no offense to Desmond Ritter or Taylor Heinecke, is there a quarterback we.
[00:30:55] Speaker A: Think that would work well with that offense coming out of this draft?
[00:30:59] Speaker B: I'm trying to think of where they're picking.
[00:31:02] Speaker A: They're seven, eight.
[00:31:04] Speaker B: Yeah, they're in the upper top ten but it's closer to ten.
[00:31:08] Speaker A: They're there every year. Kind of like the Panthers were, right.
I think Daniels would be available there.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: Jaden Daniels would probably be available. I think Pennix would be available off chance Drake May.
It depends on how these teams view the quarterbacks.
[00:31:26] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure Drake may won't be available at nine or at eight, wherever they are. Is Drake may a lock to go think? I don't know about a lock to go to. I think he's absolutely a lock to go top three.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:31:38] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: At least.
[00:31:38] Speaker B: I don't know. I just don't know yet.
[00:31:42] Speaker A: I think those three teams, I think all need quarterbacks and Drake May and kill Williams.
[00:31:46] Speaker B: Where does actually, I'll play devil's advocate here. Talk about the top three teams needing quarterbacks. I know that the Bears are in the top three, right? A couple of times actually.
[00:31:59] Speaker A: I also have no comment on that.
[00:32:01] Speaker B: Gee, I wonder what franchise gave the Bears another top five pick.
[00:32:06] Speaker A: You want to hear a fun fact about that? No team that has ever finished last has not had their first round pick the next year in the history of the pounding. Wow. Anyway.
[00:32:20] Speaker B: So I wonder what team did that. Interesting. Okay. Anyway, no comment. No comment. That's probably a good.
[00:32:27] Speaker C: I think they're in the NFC south.
[00:32:28] Speaker B: They might be in the NFC south.
They might have just hired a head coach. They might be.
[00:32:33] Speaker D: Dave.
[00:32:33] Speaker A: Pretty good head coach, too.
[00:32:36] Speaker B: Okay. All right, bud.
[00:32:37] Speaker D: Okay. We'll see.
[00:32:37] Speaker B: Anyway, so where does Justin Fields go? So could Atlanta be like, that's my.
[00:32:47] Speaker A: Take right now for Justin Fields is that they trade him to Atlanta and they take Caleb Williams at one.
[00:32:52] Speaker B: So, hey, Caleb.
[00:32:55] Speaker A: I'm so glad that none of the listeners had to see the little wave that you just did because I did not like that.
[00:33:00] Speaker B: So Chicago's like, come here.
[00:33:03] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:33:03] Speaker B: And Atlanta's like, nuh, nuh, dude, I want Justin Fields.
[00:33:08] Speaker A: Right?
[00:33:09] Speaker B: And so we're going from Desmond Ritter to Justin Fields. Is that much of an improvement in your opinion?
[00:33:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes, I would say so.
[00:33:15] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:33:16] Speaker B: Do you think under a maybe? I don't know if it's going to be a better or worse scheme, but.
[00:33:21] Speaker A: I could not tell you that, to be honest.
[00:33:23] Speaker B: Well, because let's consider this, okay. As bad as the Bears were with Justin Fields, he did have a good tight end in Cole Comet. He did have a top receiving target in DJ Moore. It's not like they didn't give him a good receiver or something. He's had relatively decent running backs, I would say. I mean, the Bears, their running game has never been just atrocious. I mean, they've always had some semblance of know. I'm trying to think who else they have. Mooney.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: Yeah, he's kind of a, kind of there, right?
[00:33:52] Speaker B: I mean, they got guys on defense too, right? Like Jalen Johnson, future Steeler, by the way, that's actually like relevant because they are one of the projected top targets for him. Okay, well, they were the trade target and then this deal fell through.
[00:34:06] Speaker A: That would be a good pickup for.
[00:34:08] Speaker B: So it's one of those things, like, I think a lot of this quarterback carousel is going to depend on what happens with the Bears and Justin Fields.
[00:34:15] Speaker A: Right.
[00:34:15] Speaker B: Because the Bears could just say, we got our guy.
We also have two top five.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: I am, maybe this is just me, but in terms of Justin Fields, I don't think that it's the right move for the Bears to stick with him. And this kind of sounds crazy, but I also don't think it's the right move for the Falcons to trade for Justin Fields.
[00:34:37] Speaker B: So where should Justin Fields go?
[00:34:39] Speaker A: I think he's going to go to the Falcons. I just still my prediction. If I were the Falcons, I don't think I would make that decision, but I just think it's what's going to happen.
[00:34:49] Speaker B: Well, let's play a little game of Justin Fields sweepstakes.
[00:34:52] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:34:52] Speaker B: So you say the Falcons. Okay, what says you?
[00:34:55] Speaker A: What say you have no idea?
[00:34:57] Speaker C: I honestly have no idea.
[00:34:59] Speaker A: No idea.
[00:34:59] Speaker B: Can't give a answer.
You have 32 options and you say, I have no idea.
[00:35:05] Speaker C: Oh, I'm trying to think.
[00:35:06] Speaker A: Okay, who all give me a shot in the dark.
[00:35:07] Speaker C: Who all needs.
[00:35:08] Speaker B: Well, according to.
[00:35:09] Speaker A: Why are you asking us, Grant?
[00:35:11] Speaker B: According to the Madden simulation.
[00:35:18] Speaker A: Fellas, reel it in, please. We are professionals.
[00:35:23] Speaker C: I'll get to that in just a second.
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Give him time. Give him time. Come on, Graham.
[00:35:29] Speaker C: How would you feel if he went to the Steelers?
[00:35:33] Speaker A: Gotcha.
[00:35:36] Speaker B: No.
[00:35:37] Speaker A: And that kid, that's not completely out of the question, right?
[00:35:41] Speaker B: It's not out of the question. And unfortunately, I'm sad to say that we are in the position that that is actually, it's probably the most realistic. Maybe it's not having a pick for it.
Okay.
[00:35:52] Speaker C: Anyway, so the Mexico comment was I was playing, so I was playing Madden last week, right. Because we had a snow day, we were bored and so I was just messing around.
I just sent the Chicago bear that's relocated to Mexico City.
[00:36:12] Speaker A: Right.
[00:36:14] Speaker B: He's a Mexico City Golden Eagle.
[00:36:17] Speaker C: Justin Fields was on Mexico City.
[00:36:19] Speaker A: All right, man. Well, is that your answer? The Mexico City Golden Eagles, which will soon be relocated from the Chicago Bears, one of the most historic franchises in the history of the NFL.
[00:36:29] Speaker C: As a fun answer, sure. As a realistic answer, we'll go with the Steelers.
[00:36:32] Speaker A: No, Elliot, now you got to get one. And it can't be the Steelers or the Falcons.
[00:36:38] Speaker B: Good, because I was going to say it's probably the Steelers. Unfortunately, now that I actually get to pick actually where I go, not where I go, I'm not Justin Fields, but wherever Justin Fields goes.
[00:36:52] Speaker A: Dramatic pause.
[00:36:53] Speaker B: Eight.
He's going to go to the Bears.
[00:36:59] Speaker A: There you go.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: I think he's going to stay with the Bears. I think what's going to happen is that this may play out. So I think what's going to happen, I think if you have that number one overall pick, there is no chance that you're not going to take Caleb Williams, even though I don't think really at this point he might not be deserving of that actual number one pick.
[00:37:15] Speaker A: I think he is, but we can.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: Get into that after talent wise. Sure.
[00:37:18] Speaker A: Let's finish this and we'll talk about Caleb Williams next section.
[00:37:22] Speaker B: But so the thing is, I think that they'll draft him Williams. And so they're like, okay, well, now we have Fields riding on our bench. Let's see what we can get for him. And then they're going to put him on the trademark it. But everyone knows they have to trade him, so they're not going to get a good return out of Justin Fields, although he probably should fetch like a first round pick, maybe a late first round pick, but should probably fetch a first round pick of some sort at minimum. And so they're probably only going to be offered like maybe like a second and a third or something, and then Ryan Poles is probably going to sit there and be like, well, that's not a good enough offer. And so Justin Fields is going to be done a disservice and he's actually just going to be stuck on the Bears until a team has a quarterback go out and they're like, okay, now I actually need to trade for one. That's a good one.
[00:38:05] Speaker D: That's available.
[00:38:06] Speaker A: This guy's an huh.
He gave an can't. I guess I can't knock it. Bit of a boring one. But anyway, I guess we'll get into our caleb Williams dialogue after the short break. Thanks for listening it.
Hey, everybody. Thank you once again for listening to 90.7 the capstone. We are here for our last segment of the students section. I think we wanted to kick it off with our, at the end of our last section, there was a slight disagreement about the projection of Caleb Williams in the 2024 draft. Elliot, I kind of want you to go a little more in depth on that.
[00:38:57] Speaker B: I'm going to give an Adrian Wesley esque analysis here.
[00:39:00] Speaker A: He's a bus. Love it. He's a bus.
[00:39:04] Speaker B: Actually, to quote Adrian Wesley, the brother stinks.
Okay, Adrian, I hope you're listening, brother. We miss you.
[00:39:12] Speaker C: Yeah, indeed.
[00:39:14] Speaker B: Can we get a long dramatic pause for Adrian not being here anymore because he's a graduate?
[00:39:18] Speaker A: I'm going to call it 3 seconds. 3 seconds.
[00:39:23] Speaker B: All right, we're back anyway. Yeah, man. You were talking about important graduates at the University of Alabama. Adrian Wesley is now added to the.
[00:39:33] Speaker A: I would 100% agree. Hope that guy succeeds to the next level.
[00:39:36] Speaker B: I really do, too. I think he's a great guy.
[00:39:38] Speaker A: I heard the Bears are looking at him.
[00:39:39] Speaker B: I think the Bears were maybe looking at him to be the quarterback's coach.
[00:39:43] Speaker A: I think they were.
[00:39:44] Speaker B: That would be him and Shane Waldron. That's a squad.
[00:39:48] Speaker A: Oh, man. But seriously, Caleb Williams, why?
[00:39:52] Speaker B: I don't like his attitude. I don't like his personality. I don't think it meshes well. And it's one of those things where know, and you're going to hate this because I'm going to bring up the Steelers again. Everyone dogged on George Pickens because of his attitude, his mentality and all that stuff. Right, right. Fair argument.
[00:40:05] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:40:05] Speaker B: He did kind of act, sometimes act a little bit out to some degree, but to the vast majority he was right. It's very evident. He talks like, well, you got to be giving me the ball next game. Four catches, 195 yards and two touchdowns against your division rival. He was not lying.
[00:40:23] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:40:24] Speaker A: Right.
[00:40:24] Speaker B: Good things happen when you give him the ball. Caleb Williams, I have no doubt that he's very talented, but he's like, I want percent ownership stake in the team that's in. Dude, give me brother, brother. Have you not heard of these guys like Jamarcus Russell? What if you turn into him and then the Bears are like, oh, my God, we gave 5% stake to Jamarcus Russell 2.0. Can you imagine if something like that happened? That would just be maybe like the single handedly most embarrassing thing that could happen for a franchise. They're not going to do that for you. But the fact that you think that you're entitled enough that you're better than every other number one overall quarterback that there's ever been, I don't know. I just don't think it works. I also don't think that he's a good mesh like with the way that the city of Chicago, that's not like the mentality that they embrace very much. Not a me first place up there. So I don't know. I just don't think the fit is there.
[00:41:17] Speaker C: Well, hasn't he also said something like, if the Bears pick me or if this team picks me, I'm not going to go?
[00:41:24] Speaker A: I think he wanted assurances that the Bears were going to trade out of the first pick or something along those lines?
[00:41:28] Speaker B: Yeah, it's one of those things he's trying to pull like an Eli Manning esque type situation, I guess.
[00:41:33] Speaker D: Right?
[00:41:33] Speaker B: Wasn't that like the Manning river swap or whatever? It was something like, something along those lines. It was something similar, but I don't know, man. Especially when you consider the fact, again, no doubt that he's talented, right? What was the record of USC the past few seasons, they weren't very good. Even in the Pac twelve.
In the Pac twelve, actually. Now Pac two. Okay, ignoring the fact. I get it. Look, Washington was really good. They went to the national championship. Oregon, obviously. Dan Laney's building an amazing program over there.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: Well, just keep going anyway.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: But you know what I mean? You had opportunities. This is your number one guy, okay? You're the number one overall pick. You're squaring off against Michael Pennix, the Big ten Indiana reject, and Bo Nick's Auburn legend.
[00:42:29] Speaker D: Okay?
[00:42:29] Speaker B: Those are your opposing quarterbacks that you're playing against. And then like Shadur Sanders.
[00:42:33] Speaker D: Okay?
[00:42:35] Speaker B: Like, Colorado's like Nepo baby, over. So like, no doubt that shader is very good, okay? But it's one of those things. He got outplayed by all of them. He lost.
[00:42:45] Speaker A: Outplayed.
[00:42:46] Speaker B: They lost.
[00:42:47] Speaker A: Not the verb that I would use.
[00:42:49] Speaker B: He got outplayed.
[00:42:51] Speaker A: You think that Caleb Williams got outplayed by all the quarterbacks that he saw?
[00:42:55] Speaker B: Not every single one. I mean, sure, yeah, he beats teams like Fresno State. I'm glad that he beats the quarterback.
[00:43:01] Speaker A: All right.
I've sat quietly and I've let this take finish out. If there's anything more you want to add, genuinely, I would like you to finish your thoughts.
[00:43:12] Speaker D: Yeah. Okay.
[00:43:12] Speaker B: Anyway, my point is that the Pac twelve is not like some dominant powerhouse. There were a couple of good teams.
[00:43:17] Speaker A: Right?
[00:43:18] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:43:18] Speaker B: However, they stunk, they were bad. Especially when I played Notre Dame, they were bad. He wasn't very good. Even from a statistical perspective, they're hyping him up. I'm just not convinced that his attitude that he is the best guy, I'm not convinced that's going to happen in the league.
[00:43:43] Speaker A: All right.
I understand what you all said, especially with the pre draft stuff and him wanting the assurances of the Bears not being there and things like that.
But that being said, all football related takes that have been made in the past 510 minutes or so, I'm going to vehemently disagree with Caleb Williams has, the second that he has touched a football on the big stage, has been one of the best quarterbacks in the league, objectively, and he's continued that since he has been there. And I really think that's hard to argue. And saying that he got outplayed by the other quarterbacks I think is ridiculous. When his team got outplayed overall, you can absolutely make that argument. But to compare him player by player to those quarterbacks that he's facing, there is a reason that Bo Nicks is not even considered a top ten, top 20 even pick in this draft. Same thing with and Michael Pennix probably isn't going to go top ten, et cetera. But Caleb Williams is a clearly better player and he's done it for three. He had an unbelievable first season. Oklahoma had an even better season after that, then an even better season and then an even better season. I see your hands raised. Please go ahead.
[00:45:00] Speaker B: Thank you for calling on me. It's funny. He's that good. I was pulling up like the Heisman race and the numbers and all that. I'm seeing like Jaden Danielson, right? Michael Pennix, not a first round pick, right?
[00:45:15] Speaker A: He's not.
[00:45:16] Speaker B: Bo Nicks, also not a first round pick.
[00:45:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:19] Speaker B: Jalen Milrow, he's not even in the mean.
[00:45:24] Speaker A: Caleb Williams already has one, correct?
[00:45:26] Speaker B: He does already have one. Remember whenever I said that he took a dip, he went split splash taking a bath.
[00:45:33] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:45:33] Speaker A: Right.
[00:45:36] Speaker B: I think he regressed and I don't think his attitude of I am the best player in this draft. You could have said that after he won the Heisman. Honestly, should have just left. Should have just gone in the draft then, right? I actually think he should have gone out then he would have had a better shot competing with Stroud and Bryce to argue like, hey, I'm the number one guy, I just won the Heisman.
[00:45:58] Speaker D: Right?
[00:45:58] Speaker B: You could have made that argument.
[00:45:59] Speaker A: So what quarterback in this draft do you think is better than Caleb Williams?
[00:46:02] Speaker B: I actually think that Jaden Daniels is the best quarterback in this draft. I think from a mentality perspective, from the perspective from a mental approach to.
[00:46:15] Speaker A: The game of football, it is not the same. Caleb Williams makes consistently higher level throws than Jayden Daniels. His arm talent is, in my opinion, multiple times better than Jaden Daniels. You could argue that Jane Daniels probably better on the ground. First of all, let me finish. Put your hand down. I'm glad I stopped at the last second.
But Caleb Williams, though, in all seriousness, again, I'm going to say something that you could probably predict. I'm about to say.
[00:46:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know what you're going to say.
[00:46:46] Speaker A: The tape, man. It is.
[00:46:48] Speaker B: You know what? I'm glad you brought that up because Mr. Tanner watched the tape.
[00:46:52] Speaker A: Thompson.
[00:46:52] Speaker B: Thompson, have you watched the tape against Notre Dame?
[00:46:55] Speaker A: I have watched the tape. I did see that game.
Guys have bad games, man.
If you've watched the tape of Jaden Daniels, he is clearly not the same level of passer that Caleb Williams is better on the ground. Sure, you can have that but Caleb Williams is still a very good player on the ground, but he has three times the arm talent, three times the playmaking ability, in my opinion, just from a combination of those two things.
And I know we see that at times during the season he fell out of rhythm and that was his main problem is him falling out of rhythm with the offense. And I think that comes from him having to play hero ball because the situations that team got put in with the quality of their defense, they had to make these plays and get down the field and score constantly. And that can affect the way a quarterback plays if their mentality is constantly, wow, we have to go get a touchdown this drive. 100%. I think the tape is, again, I'm just immaculate. The tape puts him far and away ahead of any other quarterback in this class.
[00:48:01] Speaker B: Okay? And you know what? I respect the opinion. I'm glad that you feel that way. We have very two different methodologies.
A lot of people would say that I'm a box score merchant. I would. You would.
[00:48:15] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:48:18] Speaker A: The Nick Herbig, though I have to.
[00:48:20] Speaker B: The math grease monkey, too. Something like that. I wasn't going to go that far.
You know what, because I'm out there crunching the numbers and to me, I see the production of Jaden Daniels both from a total offensive output perspective and then also from just yards points. Right? Yes, he has lesser arm ability, but his running ability is way greater.
I'll do like a Cs reference here. I'll amortize all that together. Just because one sorting method works better when the thing is nearly sorted does not mean it is the most efficient to use in every situation. I think that Jaden Daniels, that double component, we've seen a lot of the running quarterbacks succeeding in the league. So I think that Jaden Daniels will have a high level of success. I'm not convinced with Kayla Williams attitude and everything and all that stuff. I don't know if he's going to mesh with his teammates. If they're going to be on the same page, maybe their timing will be off, like you've noted, in the end of the year. And if he's on the team like the Bears, he's going to probably lose like Jalen Johnson in free agency. Their defense is probably going to get worse.
He might be in the same positions again, and it's just not going to work out. So I just think it's a matter of difference of opinion. I respect both opinions. I can see where he goes number one, I can see where he doesn't.
[00:49:33] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:49:34] Speaker B: As for me, the number one overall be. I'm going to be Gus Johnson for a second. Maserati mar.
[00:49:43] Speaker A: You think he goes one?
[00:49:44] Speaker B: I think the Bears should take him, especially if they are insisting that Justin Fields is the.
[00:49:49] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
[00:49:51] Speaker A: I guess we'll have to just keep our disagreement on Caleb Williams. I will say, I'm going to say this now.
I want to make the, I guess, prediction that I don't think Jaden Daniels would be picked in the top ten.
[00:50:05] Speaker B: That's fair.
[00:50:06] Speaker A: And I think Caleb Williams will 100% go in the top two.
[00:50:10] Speaker B: It's not one of those things where I think it's not like last year where it's like sure fire, like, yeah, Bryce Stroud won, too.
[00:50:16] Speaker D: Right.
[00:50:17] Speaker A: Right.
[00:50:17] Speaker B: I think that there is a little bit of, even among the top quarterbacks, like, we're not really sure where May is going to go. We're not really sure where Daniels is going to go.
[00:50:23] Speaker A: Right. We have a lot of time to.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: It's pretty. Williams will probably be selected ahead. That doesn't necessarily mean he's better. We kind of figured that out with the young Stroud issue.
[00:50:32] Speaker A: Right.
[00:50:33] Speaker B: Unfortunately. Well, as much as I hate to.
[00:50:35] Speaker A: Say there's a lot more than meets the eye.
[00:50:37] Speaker B: There is. But as much as I hate to say that CJ Stroud cleared, I mean, it was not even close. He is like a mount everest and a Mount Kilimanjaro ahead of him.
[00:50:45] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:50:45] Speaker A: Right.
[00:50:46] Speaker B: So it's one of those things where it's a very fluid situation. And I think you could also make the argument that Marvin Harrison Jr. Could go number one, especially depending on what he's trying to do.
[00:50:54] Speaker A: He's earned it. Marvin Harrison Jr. Has earned that number one.
It would be cool to see a wide receiver go at number one.
[00:51:00] Speaker B: It would.
[00:51:01] Speaker A: It would be really cool.
But yeah. With that, I think we are going to take the show to an end. Thank you, everyone, so much for listening.
[00:51:09] Speaker B: Good night. Tri state area.
[00:51:12] Speaker A: Wow.
I was not ready for that one. Anyway, I'm going to continue my outro.
[00:51:17] Speaker B: And maybe I'll let you do the.
[00:51:18] Speaker A: Outro next time, Elliot, that's what we should do.
[00:51:20] Speaker C: Why not just have him do it right now?
[00:51:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:22] Speaker B: Actually, you know what?
[00:51:23] Speaker A: Let's do it. Come on.
[00:51:24] Speaker B: What am I supposed to say on the outro? I'm not experiencing?
[00:51:26] Speaker C: Just do it again from the heart.
[00:51:27] Speaker A: Ready? Three, two, one.
[00:51:28] Speaker B: Say it again.
[00:51:28] Speaker A: Three, two, one.
[00:51:29] Speaker B: Go Steelers. Thunder up, baby.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: That was brutal. Anyway, have a good night. Thank you for listening.
