Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: WVUA FM Tuscaloosa Student section Podcast Here to talk a little okay, there we go. Here to talk a little football.
Here to talk football. It's me, Adrian, here with Elliot and Graham. How are y'all guys doing? Elliot, come on, man, be serious. Sorry, guys. Elliot just messed me up.
[00:00:24] Speaker B: Can go first. I got to compose myself.
[00:00:26] Speaker A: Compose yourself.
[00:00:27] Speaker C: I'm doing pretty good, man. How are you guys?
[00:00:29] Speaker A: I'm all right, man. Elliot looks like he's great. He's kind of red.
[00:00:32] Speaker B: I got three words for y'all, fire Matt canada. Okay?
That's all I got for you. Okay? No Bama football this past weekend, but I had to watch that on my television. Jaguar Steelers. I know this is college football show, but.
[00:00:52] Speaker A: It'S over for the Steelers.
They're going to get a big win tonight.
[00:00:56] Speaker B: You know what? I hope so. And you know what? After all of the bad not bad, but after all of that talk that we did on the last semester regarding the QB draft class and how bad we said Will Levis was, I really hope.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: I seen that first guy. I was like, I'll be the first to say.
[00:01:18] Speaker B: I'm just saying they got tape on them now. Okay.
But the secondary is suspect. So anyway, let's actually get into college football. That's what this show is.
[00:01:28] Speaker A: Yeah, obviously, I guess the big game of the week would have been the Oklahoma Kansas game. Big upset there in Lawrence, Kansas. Let's get y'all's thoughts on that.
[00:01:40] Speaker C: I mean, honestly, like, I wasn't too surprised that Kansas won.
[00:01:44] Speaker A: Yeah, you were.
[00:01:46] Speaker B: No, stop lying.
[00:01:47] Speaker C: No, seriously. No, after I saw Oklahoma nearly lose to I mean, Oklahoma looked very mean.
Did I think Kansas was actually going to win?
[00:02:00] Speaker B: No, but I thought you just said that.
[00:02:02] Speaker A: I said, you want surprise?
[00:02:04] Speaker B: Come on.
[00:02:04] Speaker C: I'm not surprised.
[00:02:05] Speaker A: No, I agree, though. No, it's not that surprising.
[00:02:08] Speaker C: Although, obviously, Kansas, after they went up 14 nothing, you're thinking, wow, are they going to blow them out? But then Oklahoma, they came all the way back, they take the lead. And I thought Oklahoma, I didn't think they would actually give the lead back up and then mean it was neck and neck. It was a great watch. Honestly. I loved it.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: Right. Well, I'll say for me, what is surprising is just the way the game went with Oklahoma. They had four Russian touchdowns on the ground, and then Kansas's starting quarterback Bean went 15 of 32 with two interceptions, and he only had 218 yards. So it's just like, you see those stats and you would think, oh, you won the game. But obviously they didn't win the game.
Kansas had a great game rushing, too, and their quarterback had a really good performance on the ground. He had 62 yards only on four carries, and all his carries came at big times in the game. Had a big touchdown run. Their running back had a touchdown, and then their backup running back, had two touchdowns. So a bunch of Russian touchdowns. There eight Russian touchdowns and zero passing touchdowns in that game. Very weird for a big Twelve showdown.
[00:03:21] Speaker B: Absolutely, yeah.
In all honesty, the quarterback play was a bit rough in this game.
Straight up, like pocket passing. Quarterback play was terrible. You look at the two. Dylan Gabriel was supposed to slide his way up into the Heisman rankings, especially after the big upset over Texas, right. 14 and 19, which isn't actually that bad from an efficiency standpoint, but only 171 yards and a pick zero touchdown.
[00:03:50] Speaker A: He had three Russian touchdowns in this game, though.
[00:03:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Still passing, though. Not a great look.
[00:03:55] Speaker A: No, I think he probably knocked himself out of that.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: Heisman I think he was out after last week or the week. Yeah, right.
[00:04:05] Speaker A: Yeah. He maybe could have bounced back, but I tend to agree. He probably wasn't going to bounce back from the UCF performance. But obviously this is, I would say, the upset of the year. Right.
No, no.
Am I missing one?
What would really think? I will say obviously it's an upset. Kansas, I don't think as bad as a lot of people.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: Kansas was ranked at one point. That's why I'm not saying that it's.
[00:04:33] Speaker A: And now they're ranked. Obviously they're ranked after that win being six and two. They're really not a bad team, which, crazy enough, Texas killed think.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: But that was in Austin, wasn't?
[00:04:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it was in Austin. That's a big difference, for sure. Either way, that was a great big, big shake up in the rankings. Oklahoma came in at nine, and they probably would have been five had they not have lost that game.
[00:05:00] Speaker C: Five or six.
[00:05:01] Speaker A: Yeah, probably. I think they probably would have been over Washington, who ended up being four. Florida State, they probably would have been.
[00:05:06] Speaker C: Over Florida State's four.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: They probably would have been over Florida State with the Texas win.
[00:05:10] Speaker B: Maybe.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: Guess what, actually, yeah, quite possibly. We're not going to ever know.
We're not going to ever know because of Jayhawks. And that was a backup quarterback.
[00:05:19] Speaker C: I guess we'll never know, right?
[00:05:20] Speaker A: Jalen, kanye reference. All right, well, moving on from that game, going to another big game, college game, day game, being in Utah, a team that usually never loses at home, especially a team, not only do you probably favor them at home, you don't think they'd ever get blown out at home. Oregon coming in in the playoff rankings, new rankings being six, the top one loss team, which I personally have a problem with, but that's just me. Big win. What do you all think about that game?
[00:05:51] Speaker B: I actually wasn't surprised at all. I would have picked Oregon in this game in a blowout, though. Not in a blowout. I would have thought that they would have beaten them handily probably by at least ten to 14.
[00:06:02] Speaker A: Right.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: I wasn't expecting that level of dominance.
[00:06:07] Speaker A: That game was just never like I mean, it was 14 three after the first quarter, and then they just never looked back. They made it 21 six after the second.
[00:06:16] Speaker B: Yeah. It's one of those things, like, Bo Nicks looked apart. Still 243-1248 and two touchdowns. And really it's a tale of two quarterbacks because Utah's quarterback, 15 and 29, 136 and two picks.
[00:06:28] Speaker A: Right.
It's been a quarterback fiasco over there.
[00:06:31] Speaker C: This year, given that they need rising.
[00:06:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:35] Speaker C: This was the game where they really needed him.
[00:06:37] Speaker A: Well, you know, he's done yeah. Different year for the season. Yeah. Which I thought as it got to game four or five, I was like, he's probably not the more it went on, I was like, the less likely it is that he plays this season. I think just for his case as a football player, it wouldn't have really made a lot of sense to come in and just burn a year exactly. When you could red shirt this year or take a med year, however you want to say it. But yeah, it's been a fiasco over there with quarterback play, given they had two other guys that were playing throughout the year, and now this guy's coming in and he's flash, but this game.
[00:07:11] Speaker B: Against it looked a little rough. You talk about taking another year. Right. I just want to point out this brother is 24 years old.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: Camera.
[00:07:23] Speaker B: Okay.
And he was supposed to be one of, like, the top rising prospects or whatever. Right.
This dude might be the oldest quarterback drafted. Okay. If he takes, like, a gap year.
[00:07:36] Speaker C: Here, he might be Bo Nicks. Bo Nicks have been in college forever.
[00:07:41] Speaker A: Well, you know, Bo Nicks has got the most starts ever yeah. In college.
[00:07:44] Speaker B: Bo nicks is only 23. I mean, this brother is already 24. Okay.
[00:07:49] Speaker A: Dude, that is crazy because, I mean, his birthday is May. By the time next season comes around.
[00:07:54] Speaker B: He'Ll be well, by the time he's drafted, he will be 26 years old.
[00:07:57] Speaker A: Yeah, he'll get drafted.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: He will be drafted at 26.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: He probably won't get drafted. You think he's I don't know. He probably gets signed. I don't know if somebody spends a.
[00:08:07] Speaker B: Draft, 26 year old, a Duggan, Max Duggan esque experience. He gets drafted in the 7th round, then he just doesn't gets cut, doesn't get picked up again.
[00:08:16] Speaker A: Yeah, probably maybe more camp body.
Maybe so because yeah. I don't know. But going back to the game, Oregon looked good. Bo Nicks looked good. Obviously, we were talking about Heisman earlier. We're going to talk about it later in the show. I think he keeps his name in the Heisman. Like I said, Oregon being the top one loss team in the playoff, they look good.
[00:08:39] Speaker B: And I still maintain I still think Oregon I still feel like should have beat Washington.
[00:08:46] Speaker A: Oregon. If they play again, Oregon, they're going.
[00:08:50] Speaker C: To be in by a lot, I think.
[00:08:51] Speaker A: I'm not sure. That just to kind of touch. I'm not sure that Washington is going to make the Pac twelve championship like everybody thinks because, you know, Utah or not Utah, USC excuse me. USC is still at the top right now. Like, they're all tied.
[00:09:06] Speaker B: Really?
[00:09:07] Speaker A: Yeah, they're all tied. Know, one of USC's losses, obviously, is to Notre Dame, but their next three games are USC. Who is it?
[00:09:15] Speaker B: It's USC, Utah, Oregon State and State.
[00:09:20] Speaker A: And it's at Oregon State, which they just lost this weekend. Arizona.
[00:09:23] Speaker B: Arizona's given everyone a hard dude.
[00:09:25] Speaker A: Arizona.
[00:09:26] Speaker C: Arizona has they're sneaky.
[00:09:28] Speaker A: Yeah, they have.
[00:09:29] Speaker B: But, I mean, I wouldn't say Arizona is like some incredible team. They've just made it tough on every team so far.
[00:09:37] Speaker A: I think Washington loses this weekend at USC, at the coliseum. It's a night game.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: USC's defense is just USC just doesn't play defense.
[00:09:47] Speaker A: Oh, well, it's going to be a shootout. It's going to be in the 40s.
[00:09:51] Speaker B: This is going to depend cal put up 40. I think it's going to depend here on the quarterback play. It's going to depend on will Michael Pennix be that guy or is Caleb Williams going to return to form and be that guy?
[00:10:03] Speaker A: Right. I think Williams is I think it's a long shot at this point to win heisman if he goes in there and outdues him and they could still I mean, theoretically, he won the Heisman last year at eleven and two, winning the Pac twelve championship. They went out. It'd be the same case.
[00:10:18] Speaker B: I just don't think after the last couple of performances in good faith, he could do that.
[00:10:22] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fair. He could. 100%. If he outdues Pennix Jr. Probably knock Pennix Jr.
Not out, but.
[00:10:30] Speaker B: Like Pennixes to lose here in terms of positional right now, ranking yeah. In this next game, if Williams outperforms them, it does more to hurt Pennix than it does to help Williams.
[00:10:44] Speaker A: No, I agree.
Well, do you all got anything more on that game before we move on to the Georgia game?
Well, speaking of the Georgia game, just another day for Georgia, another day at the office for Georgia winning 43 to 20 against the Gators. I mean, I watched that first drive. Florida goes boom, boom, boom, straight down the field, scores a touchdown, 70. I was like, this is a game right here.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: Is Georgia better without Brock Bowers? I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding. All I'm saying is that their offense didn't miss a beat. I thought that they would take a little bit of a step back with no Brock.
[00:11:18] Speaker A: They really looked more fluid.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: They did look. They really did. It seems like instead of forcing the ball to Brock Bowers, they're spreading the ball around a little more. And future Steeler, Lad McConkey, okay, six receptions, 135 yards, and a touchdown. Right. So, I mean, it does seem like that the ball is getting spread around a little more. I think Carson Beck was a little more comfortable than he has been like previously.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: He looked very comfortable in this game.
[00:11:41] Speaker B: I mean, not like Florida is like some world beater.
[00:11:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think Florida is nearly as bad as people act this season.
[00:11:49] Speaker B: I don't think they're awful. I just don't think they're like no, I think you're perennial, like mid.
[00:11:59] Speaker A: They're mid. What would you.
[00:12:03] Speaker C: Mean? Just as you guys mean Georgia, even without obviously their best player, they're spreading the ball around, they're looking comfortable, and now they fell from one to two in the playoff rankings. I mean, Kirby Smart is just going to use that as more motivation. I just think this Georgia team is going to keep getting better and better, especially this week. They play Missouri. People are trying to hype that up. I don't think it's going to be close.
[00:12:29] Speaker A: I mean, you got to it's at Georgia, man.
[00:12:35] Speaker C: I think it has potential to be Oregon, Utah over again. It could be over by I mean.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: I'm just saying Missouri is a vastly improved team from last year, and I get that. They played at Mizzou last year. Right, but this team is a lot better this time. I'm not saying that they're going to win. Right, but I don't know about the blowout part. I think Missouri what's your definition of a blowout, by the way?
[00:13:00] Speaker C: Like three touchdown plus okay, no, that's ridiculous.
[00:13:04] Speaker A: Maybe not. Three TDs. No, I don't know, dude. George, you got to think with them being undefeated, I mean, they've what, won 25 in a row? The last time they lost was the SEC Championship. Two years with Bryce He's now in the NFL.
You got to think they lose one of the next five games because your next three games are all ranked opponents. Then obviously you get Georgia Tech, but then you're in the SEC Championship, which is either going to be Bam or LSU, long shot Ole Miss. But either way, they're going to play four ranked teams in the next five weeks. I just think that somebody's going to get them here in the next five weeks.
[00:13:41] Speaker B: Georgia Tech.
[00:13:42] Speaker A: You think it's they're not going to be no way.
[00:13:45] Speaker B: No, I'm just saying Georgia Tech. Speaking of Georgia Tech, by the way, okay, boy, have they pulled off just some of the most random wins. They all have the blunder from Miami. Okay. And then this past week here, okay.
[00:14:04] Speaker A: Weird team.
[00:14:08] Speaker C: Earlier, we're talking about the greatest upset this season, virginia at North Carolina.
[00:14:14] Speaker A: That's a dead end. Nobody saw basically the fact that they.
[00:14:17] Speaker C: Saw that elliot, come on.
[00:14:19] Speaker A: Nostradamus.
[00:14:20] Speaker C: One in five going in.
[00:14:22] Speaker B: ACC Master. No. That's a perfect ACC masterclass. See, you're just showing that you don't know the ACC because the ACC, the top teams always find a way to lose to the worst team within that division. Happens every year. Happens every year.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fair. I remember when Pittsburgh beat Clemson. Yep, at Clemson.
[00:14:41] Speaker C: Okay, but but that year. Pittsburgh was like they were still an all right team.
[00:14:46] Speaker A: They were good that year.
[00:14:47] Speaker C: Virginia was like, they're one.
[00:14:49] Speaker A: Virginia nobody.
[00:14:50] Speaker C: He didn't virginia's only win coming into that game was against William and Mary.
[00:14:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that was definitely the biggest upset given they were a top ten team on the road. But with that, you all got anything before we go to break?
No.
[00:15:04] Speaker B: On that logic, pitt beat Louisville with their only win against Wafford.
[00:15:10] Speaker A: That was a good upset. I think North Carolina is probably the biggest one at this point. Yeah. Well, with that we're going to go to break. When we come back, we're going to talk this Michigan scandal still in signs. And we're going to talk a little heisman who we think is the favorite and who possibly could win this year.
Student section podcast here to talk some more college football. Guys, we would definitely be remiss to not talk about the biggest topic right now in college football, being the Michigan Wolverines and all this big scandal going on.
The signs still. And they're doing and it's supposedly been going on for years now, right? Is that right, Elliot?
[00:15:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been going on for a little bit.
[00:16:00] Speaker A: For a little while.
What's the guy's name? What's his name?
[00:16:03] Speaker B: Connor Stallions.
[00:16:05] Speaker A: Old Stallions out there riding for the Wolverines. Well, let's get y'all's thoughts. What do y'all think?
[00:16:11] Speaker B: I mean, I mean, it's a bad situation. Well, it's one of those things you always expect something to be going on. Obviously not every team is Mr. Clean cut, right. Everyone's going to try to find a little edge to snip off, right? Cut a corner.
I did not think that someone would be this elaborate and ring in that many different people into that situation. Right. You see all these stories there's that D three coach, right, and he's like, yeah, they hired me, told me to go to these games, gave me the tickets and everything, told me exactly what to do. That is crazy.
[00:16:50] Speaker A: They've definitely put a lot of time, effort, detail thought into this. I mean, it's not just, hey, go try to it's a thing, it's a plan, it's a scheme. This guy. I mean, it's pretty crazy. This is one of the crazier stories that I can remember in college football. And let's get your thoughts before we talk about what's possible after this because I think something bad is probably going to happen for Michigan. It should happen and it should yeah.
[00:17:20] Speaker C: It'S absolutely not a good look, that's for sure. And they've just been really messy with know, with leaving this paper, know, all these know, with the tickets and all that. And now you have also like this picture when central Michigan played against Michigan State week. Have, you know, possible picture coming up of Connor Stallions. Was he the guy on the Central Michigan sideline?
[00:17:44] Speaker A: That was definitely him, but that was him.
[00:17:46] Speaker B: The craziest thing, though, it was those ray bands with the camera, which is wild. I saw that one time I was shopping this summer in outlet mall and I saw those and I was like, yeah, that's kind of cool. Kind of novel. Never thought in my life that someone would steal sides using the ray band camera on the glasses.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: Okay, y'all remember the glasses Spider Man had in homecoming? Y'all are not Marvel fans.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: No, I know what you're talking about.
[00:18:10] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:18:11] Speaker A: I don't know, I just made me think of that. The cool, mean and that kind of goes back to what I was talking about. The detail that these guys have put into this is extremely wild. Crazy.
Obviously, I guess you shouldn't scout and cheat, but why are you scouting Michigan State?
[00:18:30] Speaker B: Well, in the what are we doing?
[00:18:31] Speaker A: Those are bottom league.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: It's bush league. But the craziest thing is the report that they had the I wouldn't necessarily even say that it was messy because in this day and age, there's always someone with the camera. There's always someone who's going to have a record of a paper trail, especially when you're buying tickets.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Right.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: That's online. So someone was going to find out eventually.
[00:18:50] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. But no, somebody was going to find.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: The craziest thing is when they finally did all of their laundry and they looked at everything, the one team last year that Michigan did not scout was TCU, which was the one team losing.
[00:19:04] Speaker C: To how about that?
[00:19:07] Speaker A: Was that their only loss last season? Yeah, I think they were undefeated last season. It was until that point.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: I think so, yes.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:19:12] Speaker C: Yeah, they were 13 and big champs.
[00:19:15] Speaker A: That's wild.
[00:19:17] Speaker C: And now they are eight.
[00:19:18] Speaker A: And I want to know if they scouted two years ago against Georgia, because they kind of did that good of job.
That game was pretty bad.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: Well, maybe it was one of those things they got rolled and then they're like, okay, this next year we need to do it. Because the report was that whenever Tennessee was kind of gaining steam right after they had Beat us, beat like they went and they got a bunch of tickets to see all the top SEC teams. Tennessee did tennessee, they got tickets to watch I think it was Tennessee, Ole Miss and Georgia. It was the ranked SEC, LSU or something.
[00:19:53] Speaker A: They also couldn't have did a great job of scouting Georgia either. I mean, nobody's did just a good job against Georgia.
[00:19:59] Speaker B: I think it's hard playing against Brock Bowers. Okay.
[00:20:03] Speaker C: That team is incredible.
[00:20:05] Speaker A: No, they're crazy. Well, their only loss in the last three seasons is Alabama.
[00:20:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:20:10] Speaker A: Because they were undefeated the rest that.
[00:20:11] Speaker C: Year, they're 37 and one. I think it was I saw 37 and one the past three years or whatever.
[00:20:18] Speaker A: Yeah, they're crazy.
[00:20:20] Speaker B: What is the opinion of you guys? I'm interested. Do you think? Because the claim right now is that Harba doesn't know anything about this.
[00:20:30] Speaker A: That's what they all say, though.
[00:20:31] Speaker B: But I think to some degree there might be some truth to that. You think about the report from the D Three coach. Right. He was given very specific instructions. None of this goes back to Harbaugh. This only goes back through me, and then I will distribute all that stuff there. It would seem like very much instructionally wise, like they were trying to insulate to where Harbaugh did not know about any of this.
[00:20:51] Speaker A: Right. That's one of those things. It's like Jim Harbaugh is the coach and he's not going to take the blame, and I guess he shouldn't. Obviously they want him to stay in place. Whoever takes the blame.
I'm not sure would they get jail time? Would it be jail time or would it be fines? I'm not sure.
[00:21:13] Speaker C: I don't think anyone's going to jail.
[00:21:14] Speaker A: I don't think anybody get jail time. Will they probably deserves it. They probably deserve it, but I think whoever it is would be just fine. Horrible.
I don't want to dis his character, I don't know. But I just personally think he would probably take pretty good care of him because I don't think he's going to be the guy to take the fall.
[00:21:31] Speaker B: Well, I think they're trying to get him to take the fall. But the thing is, the question is, well, will he just run back to.
[00:21:37] Speaker A: The and I was going to bring that up. I think he does.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: No, you don't think so?
[00:21:42] Speaker A: You don't think nobody hire him?
[00:21:43] Speaker B: Because I think this has happened before, where they tried like someone who like a coach under scrutiny tried to leave.
[00:21:48] Speaker A: They blocked a okay, I don't know who that coach is. I'd be willing to bet he wasn't on the level of Jim Horball coaching, but I will that I don't know. Will he go to the NFL? I was going to say that I think he would, but that makes it look even worse, don't you think? Because now it's like, okay, now it's like you're running away.
[00:22:13] Speaker C: Very fishy.
[00:22:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Now it seems very suspicious that why are you just leaving as soon as this gets rung up?
[00:22:20] Speaker C: Right.
[00:22:20] Speaker A: A situation that I thought about and I actually told Ellie about earlier in 2012, Ohio State faced allegations. I can't exactly recall what they did, but they were actually banned for the 2012 season as far as bowl season, and they went undefeated that year. They went twelve and the BCS era. And that was the same year that Alabama won its back to back championship and beat Notre Dame 42 to 14. So I'm just willing to bet that that Ohio State team, the way it was constructed, good receivers. I can't recall the quarterback. I want to say it was Braxton Miller. Maybe not Braxton Miller. I can't remember. Whoever it was that's a national championship. They win that year. They beat Notre Dame, don't you think? Oh yeah, probably they beat Notre Dame that year. So it's like this situation could kind of I say that to say that this Michigan thing, I mean, what do y'all think should happen? What do you think will happen as far as bans?
[00:23:22] Speaker B: Well, it's going to depend on when this investigation officially mean they keep unearthing new stuff like it seems like every other day.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure.
[00:23:29] Speaker B: But if it gets done soon enough, I think that you could see a punishment like you were kind of describing where it's as soon as this year, but honestly, that would be crazy. I think it'd be crazy, but I think it's actually so egregious and they have so much actual, physical, tangible proof at this point that they could legitimately say, you're just not going to be in the top four at all, you're not even going to compete. And they'll throw in a new team because there's no point in having Michigan do that and say, okay, well, now you just are not going to play. Right. So they might as well just kick them out, throw a new team in, which completely shakes up everything.
[00:24:01] Speaker C: It really does.
[00:24:01] Speaker A: I mean, everything.
[00:24:04] Speaker C: I think that would be like a fair thing to happen. But I just don't think, I don't think that fast. Like the NCAA doesn't really I don't think it move investigations that quick.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: Nah, if it happens, I'm surprised how quick it's been. Yeah.
[00:24:16] Speaker A: I could see it being like going into play next year. Like whatever they decide to do get imposed next year. I'll just be totally shocked if this season Michigan gets any bans or they vacate any wins or anything like that. I don't think so.
[00:24:31] Speaker C: Vacating wins. I just don't get, I don't get it's in the past.
[00:24:35] Speaker A: Okay, who cares? I agree. One thing I will say before we kind of move on from this topic, talking about the Heisman is I don't know if you all seen this or not, but a report came out today that a lot of Big Ten coaches were calling the Big Ten commissioner and they urged for a meeting, saying that, hey, something's got to be done about this.
[00:24:55] Speaker C: Yeah. Because they probably think that the NCAA is going to take its sweet time and take a while and I mean.
[00:25:00] Speaker B: They'Re right to a certain degree, right.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: I could see the Big Ten imposing something this season, maybe, but I don't think the NCAA does.
[00:25:11] Speaker C: It could be, but what would the Big Ten impose on Michigan?
[00:25:16] Speaker A: I don't think no way. The Big Ten is like you all can't play in bowl games. They're not going to do that.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: They could just for self preservation.
I mean, I doubt it. It's unlikely, but I think that it is a possibility just due to self preservation. Like you don't want the Big Ten.
[00:25:31] Speaker A: To look like oh, right, yeah, that's a good point. Well, that's a fishy situation. We'll wait to see how it unveils and talk more about it in future shows. With that, I'm kind of moved the subject over talk. Heisman Trophy. We are in the second half of the season and I think we got some real contenders for the heisman a guy I liked in the beginning. I liked Michael penix Jr. He's the favorite right now. I don't know if he finishes out, though. I'm not sure if he finishes. Think who do y'all think right now is the favorite or who do you think will win?
[00:26:05] Speaker B: It's probably Pennix right now. And again, I think really the telling game will be this week with USC. Right. This is very much his race to lose at the current moment.
[00:26:16] Speaker A: If they went out and if Waston makes the playoffs, he's going to win the Be. It's not going to be particularly close.
I would say the top two as far as season outlay or what they have. I think Nick's and Pinix are probably the two favorites.
[00:26:37] Speaker C: Well, I mean, JJ. McCarthy is like right up there. I mean, don't forget about him.
[00:26:41] Speaker A: No McCarthy. He is, though. He's like a Ben favorite.
[00:26:44] Speaker C: You know that also, jaden Daniels is also up there.
[00:26:48] Speaker A: Okay, that's what I was going to say.
[00:26:50] Speaker B: Jaden Daniels is probably the two. Right also, this also a big week for him depending on how he performs.
[00:26:58] Speaker A: If Jayden Daniels Walts into Tuscaloosa and they beat them back to back years, he becomes the first QB and what was it, Drew Brees. Now they're saying Rex Grossman for Kentucky to beat Saban back to back since 2000, 2001. I would just be willing to bet if LSU wins this game this week, because if they do, they're not going to win with Jaden Daniels having a bad game. That's just not going to happen. And he's had seven straight games with three plus touchdowns. So I really believe that Jaden Daniels has the best shot. Like if they win this weekend, I think he wins.
[00:27:33] Speaker B: He probably jumps a penix even if Pennix just has like a general guess.
[00:27:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
Well, let's look at his stats. Let's look at Jaden Daniels stats. Could you get pennics'stats?
Jaden Daniels passing stats is 2573 yards and 25 touchdowns. He only has thrown three picks and he's second in QBR. But I notice I emphasize passing. He's a really good runner as well. For this season, he's up to 521 yards on the ground and five TDs. So he's got over 3000 yards in 30 touchdowns this season. I mean, his numbers are one man band. No, dude, his numbers are just silly, though. And if they beat Alabama, I don't even think he has to have a crazy game.
[00:28:25] Speaker B: If they just win.
[00:28:26] Speaker A: If they win, his stats will more than likely be decent.
[00:28:29] Speaker C: Then imagine if they beat Georgia.
[00:28:31] Speaker A: Okay, if they beat Georgia, I was personally going to say I don't even think they have to beat Georgia.
[00:28:37] Speaker C: Probably not.
[00:28:38] Speaker A: I think if they. Go ten and two and lose to Georgia. And he plays decent. Like he just doesn't have just a.
[00:28:43] Speaker C: Yeah, as long as he doesn't throw.
[00:28:44] Speaker B: Like if he doesn't have a caleb Williams s Notre Dame.
[00:28:49] Speaker A: Yeah. No, if he doesn't do that, I think he wins. Now, if they beat Georgia, if he wins out, they beat Georgia. It's not going to be he's going to win the Heisman.
[00:28:57] Speaker C: So you guys don't think JJ. McCarthy has any shot whatsoever?
[00:29:02] Speaker A: What do you mean?
[00:29:05] Speaker C: What if he tore up Ohio State's defense?
[00:29:10] Speaker A: I think for McCarthy, it's one of those things like his stats are going to be good. They're not going to be crazy because he's been sitting out a lot. Because they blow teams out, his stats will be respectable and it'd be one of those things he's the quote unquote best player on the best team. But I don't see it.
[00:29:28] Speaker B: I think it's one of those things where I think that this Michigan cheating scandal, ironically, I think will actually come back to haunt.
They're not going to say it outwards, but internally they're like, we cannot in good faith.
[00:29:42] Speaker A: No, that makes a lot that's a great point. And another thing, I think for him to win, I think that other people would just have to fall off. Like Pinix would need to play bad. Bo Nicks would need to play bad. I think a long shot at this point is last year's winner, Williams. I think Caleb Williams probably has a better outside chance to win. I know betting wise, he doesn't, but I think just watching, like looking who they have ahead, that if Williams won out and they won a Pax World Championship, he would have a better chance, I'll tell you. Go ahead.
[00:30:10] Speaker C: Could you imagine, though, what if McCarthy did tear up Penn State and Ohio State and obviously tore up whatever Big Ten West yeah.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: Whatever team comes out of the west yeah.
[00:30:22] Speaker C: That they went and then they somehow gave it to McCarthy and then Michigan went on to win the national championship. Could you imagine after this candle, just what that would look like?
[00:30:33] Speaker A: That would be jeez, that would be a lot.
[00:30:35] Speaker C: Imagine just some media outcry.
[00:30:37] Speaker A: The media TV. That would just be I'm going to tell you somebody we haven't named. We've named a lot of quarterbacks. Talking about George Travis is Marvin Harrison.
[00:30:44] Speaker B: Jr. And I think we've named a lot of quarterbacks.
[00:30:48] Speaker C: I thought he was going to say like another quarterback battle.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: No, I genuinely think if Ohio State goes undefeated and they win the Big Ten and he rips up Michigan and he has a big game against whoever comes out of the Big Ten West, I think he's really got us. I think he gets there. I think he gets there. Which his stats aren't finalist. Yeah. I do think that he ends up being a finalist this year for sure. His stats aren't the best in the country, receiver wise, funny enough. And we're going to actually in this last segment of this talk a little Alabama LSU preview the two best receivers, yards wise is Malik neighbors and Brian Thomas has the most touchdowns. So that's going to be an interesting matchup that we'll talk about. But overall, Marvin Harrison, he's made a couple splash plays, like he had a good game against Penn State. He had a big clutch touchdown this weekend against Wisconsin. And it's one of those situations where when Smitty won the know, he didn't come in with as much hype, but he came in his quarterback didn't have as much hype. Mac Jones wasn't that hype, just like McCord is not that hype. So I think Marvin Harrison can win it.
[00:32:01] Speaker C: What do you all think he could?
I can't remember the exact stats, but like all these games with over 100 plus receiving yards, only two times this season where he has had below 100.
[00:32:14] Speaker B: Receiving yards.
[00:32:17] Speaker C: I don't see it happening.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: Daniels it's not like that Devante Smith year, right. I just don't think that he would.
[00:32:23] Speaker A: Have to these last few games if.
[00:32:26] Speaker C: He somehow had like a heat, like a 300 yard, wow, two touchdown, 250, some insane madden touchdown against Michigan.
[00:32:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:36] Speaker C: Against Michigan, maybe.
[00:32:38] Speaker A: I'll tell you, he'd probably need to average 150 the rest of the year, but he'd need to have just a I mean, one player that's a great example who's not a quarterback was Aidan Hutchinson. He had his best game of the season against Ohio State in 2021, and he ended up getting an invite to New York, which he didn't deserve, because Will Anderson had better stats across the board, which I know they play a little different position, but still, will Anderson was better him that year, but still, I think that's the best comparison.
[00:33:06] Speaker C: Right.
[00:33:07] Speaker A: Well, with that, we're going to go to break this last segment. We're going to talk the college game day game this week, biggest game, SEC West bout, Alabama and LSU. So we will be back.
It section Podcast back for the last segment here to talk the biggest game of the college football week. Alabama LSU being a top 15 matchup in the playoff rankings. Alabama coming in at number eight in the initial rankings. LSU coming in at number 14.
It's another big game between Alabama and LSU. Seems to be the same story every single season. It's always whoever wins this is more than likely going to win the west and has a good chance to go to the playoffs and yeah, what do y'all think about this game? Big game, big game. Elliot, let's hear it.
You know what, let's not hear from you. Let's hear from you.
Let's hear from you, bud.
[00:34:15] Speaker C: I'm going to be honest, maybe I'm a little crazy for thinking this and maybe I am, but you are.
I'm more nervous about this game than I am about a potential matchup with georgia and.
[00:34:31] Speaker B: My co I'm gonna look at my co host Adrian here that I've been with on the show for a little bit. We're going to get that little telepathic connection real quick. What are we thinking on that one?
[00:34:42] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I just can't see it, man. I don't know. George's is good.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: I don't know. I actually have your optometrist like on speed dial.
I'm ringing them up right now.
[00:34:54] Speaker A: Hold on, let him explain.
[00:34:58] Speaker C: Mean, this game's like all or nothing, right? I mean, we win, we essentially clinch the SEC West barring losing out, right? And then keep the playoff hopes alive and whatever. If we mean we don't go to the SEC championship unless somehow A m. Wins an LSU, somehow, some, like basically this season's dead. Maybe we can still get into a new mean, I guess we did last year, I guess, technically. But LSU, I think didn't they have what do they have three losses last?
So I don't I don't know.
[00:35:36] Speaker A: It would always comes down to ranking. So if Alabama was I think if this season, if Alabama loses this game.
[00:35:44] Speaker C: I'm not sure if they I'm not totally confident we would get a New Year's Six game.
[00:35:48] Speaker B: Probably not. Maybe we can make the Cheese Bowl, right?
[00:35:51] Speaker A: Red Box Bowl is better, but it's.
[00:35:53] Speaker C: Really an all or nothing type of game.
[00:35:57] Speaker B: You're not betting.
[00:36:01] Speaker C: On the Georgia point? Yes, I don't think we would beat Georgia. This is what I'm saying.
More people will.
[00:36:10] Speaker B: Okay, I'm a little confused.
[00:36:11] Speaker A: That beats your whole point though, man.
[00:36:13] Speaker C: No, this is what do you think.
[00:36:15] Speaker B: We'D have a better chance of beating Georgia than beating LSU? Is that what I'm getting out of this?
[00:36:18] Speaker A: That's what I thought you were saying.
[00:36:20] Speaker B: Well, I'm saying that you're saying that you would expect us to get beat by Georgia, but you don't want us to lose the LSU. That what I'm getting.
[00:36:29] Speaker C: Look, if we're going into the Georgia game look, are people going to go in going to expect us to go in there and beat Georgia? Probably not.
[00:36:42] Speaker B: I just want to let you know that the line is minus three. You're acting like the line is right.
It's almost a toss up. You're acting like that.
[00:36:50] Speaker C: Which is why I'm nervous, because it is a toss up game.
[00:36:53] Speaker A: That's fair. Well, no, I mean that makes sense.
[00:36:56] Speaker C: It's fair to you're acting like we're favored by 15.
[00:37:01] Speaker B: No, I'm not. That's what you were acting like.
[00:37:02] Speaker A: No, let's get into this game as far as matchups, from a matchup perspective, I personally think it favors Alabama. Elliot touched on it's a three point favorite which basically goes to the home team. If this game's at LSU LSU is.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: Probably three point favorite.
[00:37:17] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. That's one of those pick them games which that's a good reason to be nervous, I think. LSU's out four defenders. They're out three defenders in the secondary.
They're out. Alexander denver Harris is another one. I'm trying to recall the other guy's name, deuce Chestnut, who are all starters for those for them. And mind you, they're all starters in a secondary that has been bad. So now you take the guys that have been bad out, it's like, well, what do you have behind them? And obviously Makai Wingo being the biggest one of their D tackle interior alignment, who's like an all American type player.
And Alabama.
I've been watching Alabama. Football. While I do not want to jinx us, this is the healthiest Bama State in a single season. Maybe, I think ever since I've been watching golf, football I hate to say that on air because we've kind of shot away from it all year, but I mean, I don't think they're not out a single starter this game.
[00:38:19] Speaker B: I don't think so either.
[00:38:20] Speaker A: Defensively, they are out. Terrence Ferguson on the offensive mean I.
[00:38:24] Speaker B: Don'T mean I agree. I think what it's going to come down to again, and I feel like I've said this probably like three times already on this show alone, but it's going to come down to quarterback play. Okay, that's not good.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: Go ahead.
[00:38:37] Speaker B: But Will right, we talked about him in the Heisman context, but for LSU to win, right, they're going to have to overcome defensive deficiencies. Right. And as you pointed out, they're even larger because they're playing backups over their right. So he's going to have to overcome those with offense against a pretty good Bama defense. I mean, they can be suspect at times, but I think for the most part very much a bend. But don't break.
[00:39:03] Speaker A: I genuinely think Alabama's defense is the best in the nation. Based on what? No, I really do, though. Based on what?
[00:39:09] Speaker C: Have you watched Ohio State's defense?
[00:39:11] Speaker A: Okay, you know what? That's actually a fair point. Have you watched but based on what? Alabama top three, what they've done against who they played. I know they had the Texas blunder. I really think that had a lot to do with offense more than the defense actually playing bad, given how much they were on the field.
That one touchdown, it was basically a pick six. They get the ball at the five and there was nothing.
[00:39:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I'm not saying that.
I think there's been a couple of little blunders. Like, take the Arkansas game, second half. Yeah, there's a couple. First half tennessee not good.
[00:39:46] Speaker A: The second half of our well, I say of Bama's three biggest SEC games have been masterclass with being A and M, o Miss and Tennessee.
[00:39:56] Speaker B: This is not a team that you can afford to get behind big and then try to crawl out of. But on the opposite side, I think Millrode needs to take advantage of the fact that they are down multiple corners in their secondary. If they cannot take advantage of that, what are we doing?
[00:40:13] Speaker A: Because Alabama is a big play. They live by the big play this year.
This has got to be the game where Bama dominates the line of scrimmage as far as running the ball, pounding the rock. This is a team where they gave up 313 rushing yards to Ole Miss.
I just think at home if Ole Miss could get 313 yards, which LSU has probably improved since then, but either way you got to think Bama gets 200 yards rushing this game. Is that fair to say?
[00:40:43] Speaker C: Yeah, you would probably hope so.
[00:40:44] Speaker A: Which opens up the deep downfield passing.
[00:40:47] Speaker C: But I mean, again, if you fall behind, then you got no choice but to throw the ball.
You're going to have to abandon the run game if you end up falling behind pretty early.
[00:40:57] Speaker A: I think you all both made a good point about falling behind. I will concede that if Alabama gets behind 20 to seven and they don't need to get down two TDs, if.
[00:41:06] Speaker C: It'S like basically a repeat of the first half against Tennessee, then Alabama is probably I don't know if you'll be able to come back this time.
[00:41:16] Speaker A: No, I don't think so either. But who are some of the X factors in this game for Y'all? Who do you think? Elliot?
[00:41:23] Speaker B: I think one of them is going to be Malik neighbors.
[00:41:26] Speaker A: Oh LSU x factor.
That's fair.
[00:41:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
On the bama side.
I think if this is going to come down to containing Jaden Daniels, as we pointed out, he is not only just a great pocket passer, but he's also a dual threat quarterback. Running, I think that's going to come down to the edges needing to contain. So my x factor on defense will wind up being Dallas Turner.
[00:41:51] Speaker A: Okay, what do you guess?
[00:41:56] Speaker C: I'll do an LC defense one. I assume Harold Perkins is playing.
[00:42:00] Speaker A: He is, he'll be mean.
[00:42:02] Speaker C: There you go.
[00:42:02] Speaker B: Remember whenever I had him as a I think it was way back when, top five. No, no, I had him as a player to look out for in the next week or whatever and then he got his first pick or something.
[00:42:13] Speaker A: Right.
The way LSU's handled him this year has just been very strange, very interesting. I'm not really sure the angle that.
[00:42:21] Speaker B: They'Re trying to play him like he's like the queen on a chessboard and I'm just not sure. Sometimes you just got to stick to being the rook.
[00:42:27] Speaker A: Let a player be a player.
[00:42:28] Speaker B: Yeah, let him be the bishop. Let him be the knight.
[00:42:31] Speaker A: Okay. Let him be the knight. Who's your other one?
[00:42:34] Speaker C: Probably Bond. On our offensive?
[00:42:37] Speaker A: Yeah. No, that's fair.
Isaiah Bond. Yeah, that's fair. I think that's because he's a wide receiver, too, on the team, burton's number one. But he's a big deep lake guy.
He's supposed to be returning punts this week. Have you heard about that?
[00:42:53] Speaker B: Oh, really?
[00:42:53] Speaker C: I have not.
[00:42:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I think they're going to take Kool Aid out and put Bond.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: Kool Aid has been not has not looked great on the punt returns this year.
[00:43:00] Speaker A: Kool Aid.
[00:43:01] Speaker C: I can't remember any has been atrocious this year.
[00:43:04] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe I was being a little bit nice about you were.
[00:43:06] Speaker A: I mean it's weird because last year he was number one in the nation punt return yards as far as, what is it per punt, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
[00:43:17] Speaker C: I think he averaged like 20 return yards or whatever.
[00:43:20] Speaker A: Yeah. But this year he's been very abysmal as far as catching the punts when he should. He's been fumbling. He just hasn't been as good as he was last year. I'd say for me, I'm going to say an offensive player from LSU. I'm not going to say Daniels or Neighbors. Those are more the I think obviously Jaden Daniels is the I yeah mean he's the X Factor. So I'm not going to pick him. I'm going to go to running back Logan Diggs because obviously they're the number one offense in the nation. They put up 47 points a game. He's had a really good season himself. The times that I can remember alabama beating LSU or excuse me, LSU beating Alabama. The running backs had a good game. I remember seeing Alabama lock Leonard fournette down and Alabama won that game. But also people talk about the 2019 game a lot. One of the more historic games in this rivalry, LSU went in with the Joe Burrow and Chase and Jefferson. I think the biggest thing of that game that gets overshadowed was Claudia Larry Edwards who had a total of four touchdowns in that game. He broke the tackle at the end of the game against Diggs that know, sealed the game. He had a great game. So Logan Diggs obviously for Alabama to have a good outcome, doesn't want him to have a similar day. As far as it comes to Alabama, I would say x factor. I'm going to say safety Caleb Downs because I think for me the matchup of the day and I think it should be for everybody, especially NFL scouts, is going to be Kool Aid versus neighbors. And then on the other side you got Terry On versus Thomas. That's that's gonna be just a great display of football. Ready to see what they'll do against those guys. But I say safety Caleb Downs because if by chance they do get beat over the top, going to need Caleb Downs to make either save a touchdown or break a pass up or get an interception maybe. So we'll see what Caleb Downs does. I definitely think that's who I'd roll with.
I got score predictions.
[00:45:22] Speaker B: Okay. It's been a bit since we've touched the big 30, right?
Okay, I'm going to pick again. Like I said, after A and M, I will never again bet against Jalen Milrow and Jermaine Burton.
[00:45:47] Speaker A: I don't want to cut you off, but look, that Jermaine Burton performance against.
[00:45:50] Speaker B: A and M, legacy. It was a legacy, legacy game.
[00:45:53] Speaker A: He had 197 yards and two TD. I don't know where it came from. I don't know. Yeah, that could happen this game. Go ahead. That could happen this game.
[00:46:01] Speaker B: So I don't think that they're going to crack 30. Okay. But I think the defense will step up.
It's going to be close and we're going to go. So no betters. You're going to be happy with this pick? I'm going 27 24.
[00:46:15] Speaker A: Bama, game winning field go or just game clinch and stop or game clinch and stop.
[00:46:19] Speaker B: Okay, go ahead, make a game clinching stop.
[00:46:23] Speaker A: I feel confident with game clinching stop or a game winning field goal with Bama. I do not feel confident if Bama's down 21 24 needing to go score a touchdown to win, or if they're down 24 20 and you can't get a field goal, like you've got to score a touchdown. Yeah, I don't know.
[00:46:42] Speaker C: I think we will get a game winning field goal.
[00:46:45] Speaker B: Really?
[00:46:46] Speaker C: 34 31.
[00:46:48] Speaker B: He's actually cracking 30.
[00:46:51] Speaker C: I know we had mentioned all their starters being out. I still think with Jaden Daniels, with both his arm and his legs, they can still find a way to put up 30. So I still think we will need to get into the win this.
[00:47:07] Speaker B: And I'd like to say something like put something I said into context. I know I said it's been a while since we've seen the three. I understand that we scored 34 point or Alabama scored 34 points against Tennessee. I get that. They scored 40 against Mississippi State. Okay. But the other ones are like 24 24 and 26. I just want to put that into the context real quick. Okay. It has been a tough sledding.
[00:47:26] Speaker A: Well, I mean, another thing is alabama offensively did not score 30 against Tennessee. They had the Jahad Campbell scoop and score. So they had, what is that? 27 on offense. And then against Mississippi State, they had 33 on offense because Chris Braswell had a touchdown in that game. So against A, I don't want to disrespect Middle Tennessee State, but they're about to get disrespected against a real team. 33 offensive points is the most that Alabama scored this season. And I think just from what we've seen against what we've seen of LSU this season, from a defensive side of the ball, if Alabama was going to have a breakout game, it's got to be this game especially. I would say that before the injuries, but now you add on the injuries on top of their defensive efficiency, you just got to think that Bama has they can put up five touchdowns offensively in this game. I think I would like to think so that they could. I'm going to say I don't think this is going to be as close as people think. I don't think a big blowout or anything like that. I'm on record to saying that I thought that Alabama would win the Tennessee game and the LSU game both by double digits. And I'm going to stick to that.
I think that Alabama has one of those old school Nick Saban, punch you in the mouth, run the ball, can't move on. The defense type of game. It really reminds me of 2015 when Alabama beat LSU 30 to 16 four. Nick came in as the Heisman favorite. Everybody's talking about how great their offense is, their running game. Now it's a little different. It's passing and it's Jaden Daniels. And these receivers. I think that Bama somewhat avenges how they played against Texas because that was other best receivers they played. And I think they have a really good performance. I think LSU still probably scores 24, but I think Bama wins along the lines of 37 to 24, 37 21. I think it's a really good defensive performance and I think they cause a couple of turnovers. I think Alabama is going to have a good game.
[00:49:25] Speaker B: Okay. All right.
[00:49:26] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:49:26] Speaker A: Is that crazy to say?
[00:49:27] Speaker B: Maybe not. Maybe not. I'd like to see that.
[00:49:30] Speaker C: That would be pretty cool to see.
[00:49:32] Speaker A: That would be anything? Y'all got anything before we go? I got an upset this week. I think I did talk about it. I want to say my upset before we leave. USC is going to be Washington.
[00:49:41] Speaker B: We can only hope.
[00:49:42] Speaker A: No, USC is going to be Washington.
Y'all got anything?
[00:49:45] Speaker B: Nope, that's it?
[00:49:46] Speaker A: All right, well, that's it for us. We'll be back next week to talk a little more.
