Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: WVUA FM, Tuscaloosa.
And with that.
[00:00:17] Speaker B: Still a little frustrated from Sunday, but yeah, not a lot.
[00:00:20] Speaker A: Of NFL commentary from graham after that Lions game.
[00:00:23] Speaker B: Hey.
[00:00:24] Speaker C: Right. It's a college football show.
[00:00:26] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:00:27] Speaker B: Ben Johnson is staying.
[00:00:29] Speaker A: That is huge for the Lions.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:00:32] Speaker A: Absolutely huge for the line.
[00:00:33] Speaker C: Move the needle.
[00:00:34] Speaker A: All right. And with that being said.
All right, with that being said for this show, we've decided that since we're kind of in that spot, in between real draft prospect time and the college football season ending, we are going to go and look back at the 2023 NFL draft and kind of with, I guess, hindsight bias now grade these picks and especially to where they were taken, whether a trade was made for them and how that worked out, et cetera. But, yeah, with that, let's get into it. I'm sure we all remember the first few picks, the first being the guy we just talked about, Bryce Young, the quarterback for the Panthers. Now, I should probably be. I'm going to let you guys comment on it first, and then I'll give my take.
[00:01:17] Speaker C: Because you're biased.
[00:01:17] Speaker A: Exactly. It's going to be biased. So I'm going to let the unbiased opinions come out first.
[00:01:21] Speaker C: So am I grading this on like an f through a scale? Am I grading this on a zero to 100? A one through ten?
[00:01:28] Speaker A: I would prefer f through a. F.
[00:01:29] Speaker C: Through a for the Panthers.
This is a c minus of a pick.
Obviously, this is complete hindsight. Okay. I don't think anyone was expecting this, but to sell the farm for Bryce Young when. I don't know when you just watch CJ Stroud have the season that he has, really are kicking yourself. And especially whenever you finish with the worst record in the NFL. Oh, wait, what happened to that draft pick? I don't even have it. So not only did I sell the farm for a guy that ended up being worse than the other consensus top quarterback, I also don't have my top pick. So not only does my team stink, I can't even make it better with young talent. I now have to rely on getting someone in free agency. And who wants to go to Carolina now after they just had that Stinker festive season? I actually thought I was very complimentary. The Panthers, when they got all those players, I was like, Thielen and Sanders, like, this is a solid. This is kind of a solid. You're bringing a team together, right? No, not a single soul.
[00:02:39] Speaker B: No way.
[00:02:39] Speaker C: Wants to go to Dave.
[00:02:41] Speaker A: Sorry, Dave.
[00:02:42] Speaker B: Sorry, bro.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: We'll see. Graham.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
I mean, you laid it out. I would say probably a d plus, c minus.
Obviously the coach was terrible, so that certainly did not help. But yeah, like you said, they sold everything. Now they don't even have a top draft pick.
[00:03:05] Speaker A: Right?
[00:03:09] Speaker B: They kicked themselves.
[00:03:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
I'll try not to talk about this forever because lord knows I probably can. But I probably go c, C plus, and that's just going strictly based off this season. And I wouldn't go lower than that because I do think that the team failed him. I think that Frank Reich and Thomas Brown and their constant switching between who was calling the plays, the offensive design was never really built for just pretty. It was incredibly simple stuff. And those were the criticisms of Frank Reich coming into it was that know, little old fashioned in terms of offensive design and play calling, and you saw that all year, and that is accentuated by a supreme lack of explosiveness and separation in the skill positions. I mean, your starting guys are Adam Thielen, who maybe had some explosiveness at one point in his career. He was never really a speed guy, though, and now he's an older player who is really just defined by his hands. But he is a very slow wide receiver and it's apparent.
[00:04:18] Speaker C: Molasses.
[00:04:19] Speaker A: Exactly. It is apparent when you are watching. It is not hard to tell. And so you have that. And then the rookie pick was Jonathan Mingo, who again, this is very hindsight bias because at the time people were excited about it. But again, that's a slow player. The only thing that he was known.
[00:04:35] Speaker C: For at Ole Miss on my fantasy.
[00:04:37] Speaker A: Bench was size and it was ability to win at the catch point. That was what Jonathan Mingo had at Ole Miss. And so you have two of the same players in that regard. Then they signed Leviska, Chanel, who's also not an explosive player or a separator. And again, so now you have Bryce Young, who is being one, failed by his offensive line. And that is also apparent when you watch it. The play calling is failing him. The run game was incredibly inconsistent. I do believe that Chuba Hubbard's a pretty good player, but Miles Sanders, whenever he got the ball, also pretty slow. And I didn't like the move when we got him because he was playing behind the best rushing offensive line in football. And I believe that is a huge part in terms of the performance of running.
See, again, a lot of this is hindsight bias because there were guys that I was excited about in terms of the roster, but I just thought they.
[00:05:23] Speaker C: Would have been more competitive in the NFC South. I think you cannot go despite how slow they may be, I don't think it's still a disappointment.
[00:05:33] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:05:34] Speaker C: On all mean. There's just no other way.
[00:05:38] Speaker A: Absolutely. That's. And again, that's kind of the main reason that I won't grade it any lower than a CC plus because I don't think we have seen Bryce Young play. And also in terms of the hindsight, you know, it's easy to look at the stat sheet right now and say, wow, why on earth would the Carolina Panthers take Bryce Young over CJ Stroud? The college film and what Bryce Young can do on a football field is that is still objectively undeniable. That guy had the best film for a reason and that's why he was picked. That one. But then, first 1st year rookie quarterbacks going to be regardless, that's a tough season. And CJ Stroud had a historic one and I truly don't want to take that away from him because, and I guess we'll get to that here in a second with this second pick. But here, tell you what, let's just actually go to the second pick. I've probably ranted too long enough.
[00:06:28] Speaker C: I'm actually going to put the second and the third pick in a package deal here.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:31] Speaker C: Okay, cool.
[00:06:32] Speaker A: I'm okay with that.
[00:06:34] Speaker C: The Houston Texans were licking their chops, okay? I mean, they went to Texas roadhouse, they ordered that sirloin steak and they carved that bad boy up and they were going, they were gobbling on that, okay?
I cannot fathom having trading up like that. You take CJ Shroud and then you have the stones to go trade up for a guy right after him in Will Anderson and the Texans just came out of nowhere. Okay?
[00:07:04] Speaker A: Right.
[00:07:04] Speaker C: I knew Will Anderson was legit. I knew CJ Stroud had legit to it, despite the reports that he was dumb. Okay. I don't think that that means anything.
[00:07:13] Speaker A: Right, exactly.
[00:07:16] Speaker C: If I could give the Texans an a plus plus, I would give him an a plus plus. That was outstanding. And this is not even mentioning the fact that they got tank Dell as well. Right. Who was playing out of his mind as well until he fractured his fibula.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: Right.
[00:07:31] Speaker C: So Bravo, Houston. Proud of you guys.
[00:07:35] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:07:36] Speaker B: Yeah. They 1000% hit a home run with both of these picks. And another thing is like, okay, with the Panthers picking number one, how do you look at what CJ Stroud did against Georgia in that playoff semifinal? I mean, he was balling up on a defense that was kicker sold, that was known to just be dominant.
[00:07:59] Speaker A: Right.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: And he absolutely balled them up. And I think a Marvin Harrison. Well, first of all, if they make the field goal, they win anyway.
[00:08:05] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:08:05] Speaker B: Marvin Harrison going out was a big game changer in that. But how do you look at CJ Stroud and what he did against Georgia and say he is easily, Bryce Young is still better than Stroud? I don't know.
[00:08:20] Speaker A: I think you look at that because of the other games that Bryce Young has played against Georgia, who was also a historic defense. I mean, Bryce Young beat them in the SEC championship two years ago. And in a dominant fashion, in relatively dominant fashion, Alabama cruised against Georgia. And whether you want to compare the Georgia defenses by those years, they're pretty close. They were both honestly historic, which says a lot for Georgia. But I would agree, though, on the CJ Stroud take that, that should have boosted his. And he still went, right. He still went at the second pitch.
[00:08:54] Speaker C: The discourse surrounding him, he didn't perform good on the iq test, so he must be dumb. That was like ridiculous.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: What do you say? Like, I don't play school, I play ball. Yeah.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: I'm not a good test taker. I play football.
[00:09:06] Speaker C: The boy definitely plays football.
[00:09:08] Speaker A: Absolutely plays football.
[00:09:09] Speaker B: That was a franchise changing draft. Absolutely. Not just two, but also three with Will Anderson.
[00:09:15] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:09:17] Speaker C: Arguably offensive and defensive rookie of the year.
[00:09:23] Speaker A: TJ Stroud, will Anderson will not be defensive rookie of the year.
[00:09:25] Speaker C: You don't think so?
[00:09:26] Speaker A: It'll be Devin Witherspoon, Jalen Carter. I think Jalen Carter should get it over him. And I believe Devin Witherspoon should also get it over.
[00:09:32] Speaker C: No. Joey Porter Jr. Nod.
[00:09:33] Speaker A: No.
[00:09:34] Speaker B: What about Brian?
[00:09:35] Speaker C: But he picked off Lamar.
[00:09:36] Speaker A: Devin Witherspoon.
[00:09:41] Speaker C: That'S y'all's mvp.
[00:09:43] Speaker B: Hey, Brian Branch technically got a pick six against mahomes.
[00:09:47] Speaker A: Brian Branch also had a. He had a great season, too. I mean, that's huge.
[00:09:50] Speaker C: I forgot the slew of characters. Again, guys, like I said last week, this is a college football show, not an NFL show.
[00:09:56] Speaker A: Come on, man, oh, man. Our next pick that we're going to look at that was very controversial at the time.
Anthony Richardson was a somewhat polarizing player in that draft. I was a fan of him.
Elliot, I don't know if you remember, I was very high on Anthony Richardson and I thought that he should go in the top three. And obviously, you can't complain about Will Anderson going above him because at the time it was great choice. But Anthony Richardson, he had a pretty good season with the Colts and obviously injury sidelined him early. But the games he was in. He was obviously a great player. Shane Psychon, perfect head coach for him to have and I'm excited to see him more often.
I would probably grade it, I guess a. I would maybe not go perfect with the a plus because the injury, which even that's know neither here nor there, but I would probably say a for the Anthony Richardson pick.
[00:10:52] Speaker C: I'm going to go incomplete.
[00:10:56] Speaker A: Incomplete.
[00:10:56] Speaker C: Okay.
I don't disagree with anything that you said.
[00:11:00] Speaker A: Right.
[00:11:00] Speaker C: Okay. However, I would like to point out that the Colts had just as much success, if not more, with Gardner Minshew at quarterback, as well as the fact that he did get hurt relatively early on. And I don't know if that's a function of I did not watch enough Colts games.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: Okay, so Anthony Richardson was leading rookies and leading rookie quarterbacks in most statistics early.
[00:11:21] Speaker C: Yeah. And that's the thing. I didn't watch like Colts games. I don't know if it's a function of he put himself in harm's way a ton.
[00:11:27] Speaker A: I believe the injury that he had was somewhat of a freak injury that wasn't exactly him know, running out in the open.
[00:11:32] Speaker C: Right. But my thing is, I didn't know if it was one of those things where he's kind of like a Josh Allen type or not like reckless, but you know what I mean. He's kind of a bit of a bruiser. He's not going to take that slide. He's going to put his shoulder down and run through you. Right. I don't remember how that injury occurred and I don't know. I just don't know his playstyle well enough and I didn't get to see a full sample size of a season with him as I did with the other quarterbacks. So I'm going to give him an incomplete. Yeah, based on what I saw, I'll just give it a very lukewarm mid grade because it's incomplete. I would just say like a bb plus.
[00:12:07] Speaker A: Okay. There you go.
[00:12:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I was going to say it's just really tough to gauge just because of how short his season was. But I mean, I will say he did look promising in the games that.
[00:12:17] Speaker A: He did play when he was consistently playing in the season. Again, this is just hindsight. I don't remember for sure, but I believe he was leading most categories even with CJ Stroud in the mix, who honestly got better as the season went on.
But yeah, still more to see from Richardson and just to see if he can play a lot of football games and stay on the field.
[00:12:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Health is going to be a very key thing for Anthony Richardson.
[00:12:40] Speaker C: Well, I mean, as we speak on health, I know this is kind of skipping a little bit ahead. I'm going to do the same exact thing with cornerback Christian Gonzalez for the Pats at 17, and that's just simply because.
[00:12:51] Speaker A: Very good when he was in.
[00:12:52] Speaker C: Very good when he was in. Got hurt like super early on, so I'm just not even going to go there on that one.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: Fair enough, fair enough. With that. We will probably go to the five. Also, maybe a little bit of a controversial pick at the time, taking Devin Witherspoon at the five for the Seahawks.
How do we feel about that pick via the Broncos, by the way, which I don't know what part trade? Well, actually, I do know what trade that would have been a part of the Russell Wilson trade, but, yeah, how.
[00:13:20] Speaker C: Do we feel about that one today?
[00:13:22] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty safe to call that one.
[00:13:25] Speaker C: He's probably going to win defensive rookie of the year. Yeah, tonight.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: Versatile, elite athlete. He made plays all over the field and his instincts look great, too. Physical in the run game. I think he's going to be a Seahawk.
[00:13:34] Speaker C: I mean, Naji Harris owns him, but.
[00:13:36] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a cornerback, man. You're talking about a power running back and a cornerback don't care.
[00:13:40] Speaker B: Originally before the Lions traded back from six to twelve. When the Lions were originally at six, I wanted them to get Devin Withers, Witherspoon line. First of all, we need a cornerback anyway, and we still do.
[00:13:50] Speaker C: Probably better than Sutton.
[00:13:52] Speaker B: He is good. Yes, he is better than Cam Sutton.
[00:13:55] Speaker C: Steelers legend, by the way. I want to point that out.
[00:13:57] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, again, that was relatively undebatable. You got to go in the a range.
And with that, we'll go to the Cardinals with the Paris Johnson pick. A little harder to grade offensive line picks just because they don't show up on the stat sheet. And you got to really do your homework to be able to grade these.
But yeah, how do we feel? Just average grade, b minus b?
[00:14:23] Speaker C: I don't know. I mean, the Cardinals were. They stunk. They weren't beat. My Steelers, though, they're not really sure. That says a whole lot about the Steelers, but I mean, they weren't very good for the most part, like rushing or throwing, really. They got a little bit of an uptick in production when Kyler Murray came back. Obviously, that's why he's a top end talent like he is.
I don't know, just like an average grade. Nothing. Didn't move.
[00:14:53] Speaker A: I think to grade him accurately, you'll need to see multiple years of good play, especially for an offensive tackle. But, yeah, I'll tell you what, Graham, do you have anything to offer on this pick before we go to break?
[00:15:04] Speaker B: No, I was going to say the same thing.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: Like, yeah, makes sense. Offensive tackle is kind of tough to grade after one season, but. All right, with that, we're going to go to break for a few minutes. But for now, enjoy this song.
[00:15:38] Speaker C: Everybody.
[00:15:39] Speaker A: Thank you for listening to 90.7 the Capstone. We are now back with our second segment of the student section. We're going to continue our draft. Look back. I guess we've gotten through the top six picks and now we're moving on to the seven. And this one I think we'll probably have a bit of a bad feeling about. The Raiders took Tyree Wilson and from Texas Tech. Who is that your grade? Who?
[00:16:03] Speaker C: Yeah, this is like a certified.
[00:16:05] Speaker A: Give us a real grade.
[00:16:06] Speaker C: Certified l pick.
[00:16:07] Speaker A: Certified l pick.
[00:16:09] Speaker C: This is a w take. This is a certified l pick. I don't know, man.
Raiders. What are we doing here, guys?
What are we doing here? I don't know what they were.
[00:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:22] Speaker C: Didn't really work out. I mean, not that he's bad. Just didn't really do anything right.
[00:16:28] Speaker A: Somewhat in his defense, he was looked at as a project because he had the physical attributes, but that was really it. But even then, right, this was a reach for set.
[00:16:37] Speaker C: You could have gotten a much better play. I mean, heck, I'm looking at the people coming after him, right?
On the defensive side, Jalen Carter, you have Van Ness.
Heck, even Will McDonald.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: Will McDonald, absolutely. I would take above that better, better pick.
[00:16:56] Speaker C: And then you could have picked a tackle. Okay. There's a lot of tackles, right? I mean, you didn't really need a running back. So, I mean, that's not really. Although not there for a little bit that they actually did because Jacobs was about to leave.
But no, I mean, this is like a CC minus. I mean, this was bad.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: Were it given the same grade as the Bryce Young pick at?
[00:17:18] Speaker C: Because, you know, this was just situationally, this was just a bad pick.
[00:17:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:22] Speaker C: The Bryce Young is a function of the fact that the Panthers imploded. This is just a function of. They just did this man wrong. I don't know.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I would agree.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
He only had 16 solo tackles for special teams legend. Very top ten pick. Yeah, it's tough.
[00:17:40] Speaker A: I would probably go, Nick Herbic is better. I would go the d, maybe d plus range.
[00:17:45] Speaker C: Really?
[00:17:45] Speaker A: Just because it's yeah, because maybe it could work out possibly in the future.
[00:17:50] Speaker C: That's why I'm not a great as the Bryce Young. I have upside on the Bryce Young.
[00:17:54] Speaker A: Okay, I guess that's fair. Maybe we just view the c minus grade differently. I don't know.
[00:17:58] Speaker C: C minus is like bare bones. I'm talking like 70.
[00:18:01] Speaker A: Okay?
[00:18:02] Speaker C: I'm talking like I gave you a passing grade. Because I felt bad.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: Because I felt bad, me being a ta. All right, up next, another somewhat polarizing pick. Not necessarily the player, but the pick was pretty polarizing. Elliot, you seem to have an opinion.
[00:18:16] Speaker C: Good pick sine a, easy a.
[00:18:18] Speaker A: Easy a.
[00:18:19] Speaker C: Lock it in.
[00:18:20] Speaker A: Easy a.
[00:18:20] Speaker C: This is a good pick. I don't know, there's just something about Atlanta and offensive players, just not. This is a great pick. I mean, B. John is an outstanding talent, and anytime they got this man the ball, not only did he do wonders for my fantasy team, okay, he also did wonders for the Atlanta Falcons.
Again, we kind of touched on this last week. I don't know what they were cooking. They were burning it. But this is not at all B. John's fault. This is more of a schematic. Like they could not execute. Part of this might be.
Part of it is on Arthur Smith. Part of this is also, I think, on the quarterback play.
[00:19:04] Speaker A: Right.
[00:19:05] Speaker C: So I don't know. I think it's a good pick. I think that he was going to go to one of these teams out. I mean, it would have been absolutely sickening to see Bijon on like the Eagles. So I think.
[00:19:15] Speaker A: I can't believe the Eagles would have taken Bijon Robinson. No, they just don't pick.
[00:19:18] Speaker C: They definitely would have.
[00:19:19] Speaker A: They don't pick anybody that's not a defensive lineman or offensive lineman in the first round.
[00:19:22] Speaker C: They just definitely would have. So, anyway, I think it's a good pick.
[00:19:25] Speaker A: It's an a. Yeah, I think, honestly, I would say a minus for me. And I think it has the potential to go up. Just give him probably after next year.
[00:19:34] Speaker C: Give him a quarterback.
[00:19:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I think after next year it'll probably be an objective a plus, but, yeah. Graham.
[00:19:41] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
Arthur Smith is definitely a good quarterback. He's definitely got partly at fall here because if you just use this dude, right, he could take your team a long way. Especially if you add a quarterback to.
[00:19:53] Speaker C: This offense, especially when you're in the mean shoot.
The benchmark is so low, I can step over it.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: Exactly.
Oh, man.
[00:20:04] Speaker B: They were technically still in contention even.
[00:20:06] Speaker A: When they were like, Panthers essentially took.
[00:20:09] Speaker C: Them out of like, I just want to point out, okay, the thing is, the parity between these divisions is crazy. The NFC south, they're like in like a stinkoff fest at who can be the most nine and eight team of all time. And meanwhile, I've got all the teams in the AFC north fighting for their lives are all like ten and seven or so. They're actually playing well and they're beating one another up and then they get left out because there's just not enough spots in the AFC.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: Right? Absolutely.
[00:20:37] Speaker C: Next pick.
[00:20:38] Speaker A: Next pick. We have got Mr. Jalen Carter.
I think this is an easy, I think it's an easy a plus for me.
[00:20:47] Speaker C: This should have been a top five pick. He should have been, honestly, Raiders. Raiders, this is the guy you should have taken?
[00:20:53] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:20:53] Speaker B: Raiders sold.
[00:20:55] Speaker A: Absolutely. There was the pre draft concerns, but, man, this guy was obviously a generational talent at the position. I think it was impossible. I can't believe he felt a mean that Eagles defense, don't be wrong. The core is there, especially defensive line with Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, two really good young defensive tackles. But, man, they kind of failed the end of that season. That defense just became, I don't know if teams just figured them out, but they just could not get anything done. And obviously we all saw that bad fall at the end of the season, finishing one in five or something like that.
But Jalen Carter is a pick, though. Got to give it an a plus. Him at nine.
[00:21:32] Speaker C: Okay, let's move on to 1010.
[00:21:34] Speaker A: We've got the Bears taking Darnell Wright, offensive tackle in Tennessee. I believe he honestly went there because he had a decent game against Will Anderson and their matchup last year.
[00:21:45] Speaker C: Yeah, it's true.
I still think it's a bit of an l pick by the.
See, I would have rather them seen them give Justin Fields a weapon simply because he spends more time out of the pocket than he does in the. I don't really, I don't know. I get that it's high value for a tackle of that caliber for the Bears, situationally.
Kind of lukewarm on it. Darnell Wright, I think, did play relatively the. I don't really think it's like the Parrish Johnson situation.
I'll give it a b minus. It's all right. Yeah, nothing crazy.
[00:22:29] Speaker B: Yeah, probably like c plus or something.
[00:22:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I was going to go b minus. I think. I disagree with you on that. They should have taken a weapon.
[00:22:38] Speaker C: I don't see them.
[00:22:39] Speaker A: They had just traded for DJ Moore, who was a relatively high end, sure.
[00:22:43] Speaker C: But wide receiver, who else is throwing that team, they lose. Jones Jr. You got to add the.
[00:22:47] Speaker A: Depth to Fields, I think, but especially with where that Bears line was, I think the tackle positions are just as important as the weapons.
[00:22:55] Speaker C: I wholeheartedly agree. If he was a less mobile quarterback, he just runs around. I don't think you can happy feet.
[00:23:03] Speaker A: I think that is a fault of Justin Fields, but I think when you're building a team, you can't say, oh, we're not going to take a tackle here. We're not going to give him better protection because he likes to run around. I don't think it's mentality. I think you give him the best chance to succeed. And part, I would say 60% of that is beefing up his protection.
[00:23:19] Speaker C: They just didn't succeed.
[00:23:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it just didn't work out. So I'm going to say BMI, C plus, somewhere in that range. Again, another offensive lineman taken Peter Skoronsky.
[00:23:29] Speaker C: This is just another situation like Paris Johnson.
The Titans were just awful.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: They just weren't good.
[00:23:39] Speaker C: They just were not good.
[00:23:40] Speaker A: They just weren't good. And part of that was the offensive, you know, that has to assess.
[00:23:44] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
[00:23:45] Speaker A: Good portion of the blame.
[00:23:47] Speaker C: C.
I don't think Skronski himself is at fault for this. He's a rookie.
[00:23:51] Speaker A: No, absolutely.
[00:23:52] Speaker C: Being thrown to the flame. They're just a bad team.
[00:23:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:54] Speaker C: Sorry, brable. You deserve a coaching job, my man.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: I would agree. I believe this next pick is a little bit more. A little bit more fun.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: How about you two go first? You two go.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: Yeah, it's fair.
I'll go first for this one. Get my take out of the way.
[00:24:07] Speaker C: Let's hear it.
[00:24:08] Speaker A: Jamir Gibbs at twelve.
At the time, this was a highly debated pick.
[00:24:13] Speaker C: It's not even debated, highly debated that this was atrocious. Atrocious value.
[00:24:18] Speaker A: Atrocious value spot at the time.
But now, I mean, there are numbers to back it. We knew he was an absolute weapon. Just something that you have to game plan for as a player. We saw it almost every game while he was at Alabama, but he finished second in yards and I've drafted second as the running back, so I guess that tracks. But he had six more touchdowns in Bijon. He also had, I believe, 32 less carries. But that being said, bijon was much more successful in the passing game.
Obviously, product is two different offenses, but I would probably give this a b plus because I think it's very talented player benefits the team a lot. But I do think that I'm still not quite a fan of where he was taken.
[00:25:05] Speaker C: No, I wholeheartedly agree. I'd give it an a. It's dropping to a b plus, not even an a minus, simply because the value is so bad.
[00:25:12] Speaker A: Right. I just cannot get behind, from the player perspective, a, and then from the.
[00:25:17] Speaker C: Player perspective, definite a in the context of where he was selected. It's still bad. Still bad value.
[00:25:22] Speaker A: Now, let's let Graham give him.
[00:25:24] Speaker C: All right, don't glaze it too much. Okay.
[00:25:27] Speaker B: I'm going to give them an a.
[00:25:29] Speaker C: I just knew you were going to.
[00:25:30] Speaker B: Say, I'm going to give them an a. Now.
[00:25:31] Speaker C: I was very, I was very surprised.
[00:25:35] Speaker B: When they did pick them. I will say that. But here's what I'll say, is if you look at the draft classes that Brad Holmes has had since Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes era began, they have not failed.
Just, I just was like, okay, fine. I was surprised, but I'm like, you know what? Brad Holmes has not led us astray yet, so I'm just going to see this through and trust it.
[00:25:57] Speaker C: I thought he was leading you astray when he. I'm going to be real.
[00:26:01] Speaker B: Here's the thing. Well, Dan Campbell had said earlier season, we're going to ease him into this, and eventually he's going to blast off. Right? So look, as for the value, number twelve, right?
[00:26:14] Speaker C: There's no debate in the value.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: Well, no, here's my take, is, look, I believe if you want your guy and, you know, and you feel like you truly believe you have your guy, just take him.
Even if people say it's early, dog. Take him, dog.
[00:26:30] Speaker C: You guys had a pick at 18. You're telling me that you couldn't have even got him at 18?
Be so for real with me.
[00:26:38] Speaker B: No, seriously. No, seriously.
No, seriously. If you truly believe you have your guy, which they clearly did, and I think they do.
As for number twelve, I would agree.
[00:26:52] Speaker A: I do think it's how it works in the league.
[00:26:54] Speaker C: That's how it works. But these other teams behind them, they don't need a running back.
[00:26:59] Speaker A: That is also true.
[00:27:00] Speaker C: Packers could have gotten him later.
[00:27:01] Speaker A: Packers weren't taking fireback.
[00:27:03] Speaker C: Could have gotten him later. And the thing is, the Steelers and the Jaguars got criticized for taking Harris and Etienne back to back there in the first round. That was in the. Took him in the early teens. Not even in the teens. He was at twelve. Okay. You definitely would have been available. You could have even actually traded back.
If that was your guy, you could have traded back.
[00:27:24] Speaker A: Well, I would bet that they would have done that. But I think that. No, I'm saying Bijon being picked at seven, I think that may have shaken everything up a little bit and be like, oh, okay, all right, number one, guys, off the board. Maybe we have to expedite this process.
[00:27:40] Speaker B: Or also, people don't know what goes around behind the scenes.
You don't know what the GMs know about what the other gms are thinking and what the other teams are thinking.
[00:27:52] Speaker C: I know what they're all, I like it. I love it.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: If there's a player that you know you want on your team that you think will change the game, then I understand going and getting it. Yeah, I absolutely understand that. But that being said, pretty good pick to talk about, especially for its controversy and the success that he's had in the season after.
[00:28:09] Speaker C: But you're so misused, my friend.
[00:28:12] Speaker A: A slightly less entertaining pick, the packers.
[00:28:15] Speaker C: I'm entertained by this pick.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: Lucas van Ness out of Iowa.
[00:28:19] Speaker C: Avid defensive enjoyer myself.
[00:28:22] Speaker A: So why don't you give us your solid, okay?
[00:28:26] Speaker C: Give it a nice little b plus.
[00:28:27] Speaker A: How did you think that van Ness played over the course of the season?
[00:28:29] Speaker C: Thought he played well. Yeah, thought he played his part well. I mean, he didn't play like a ton, right.
[00:28:34] Speaker A: But his role, especially as a rookie, is being big, physical run defender on the outside.
[00:28:38] Speaker C: He made plays. He popped up in that playoff game.
[00:28:42] Speaker A: Yeah, he did.
[00:28:43] Speaker C: So, yeah.
[00:28:43] Speaker A: Hey, can't complain about it.
[00:28:44] Speaker C: Props to you. My.
[00:28:46] Speaker B: Yeah, solid pick.
[00:28:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess. Well, again, not the most entertaining pick, and neither is this next one, not going to lie. The Pittsburgh Steelers trade up, taking Broderick Jones tackle out of Georgia. Elliot, I guess I kind of got two questions for you. One, how did you feel about this pick at the time and how would you grade it now?
[00:29:08] Speaker C: I said I didn't hate it at the time, and that's probably the best way I could describe it right now. I'm not mad at it. Their run game did improve when they inserted him into the lineup. Right.
All it took was our right tackle saying that he thought the coaching staff was stupid. So, I mean, hey, props to you, Chuks. Akora for. Thank you, bud.
He really has pass pro issues, and that was something I really was concerned about.
[00:29:38] Speaker A: It was pretty apparent even in his college game.
[00:29:40] Speaker C: And that's the thing, he was always a run first guy, not really very good in pass pro. And I really would have preferred them to have, like, Skaronsky. Obviously, he's not available at that time, even with his short arms. They could have paired the small hands with Pickett, with the short arms of Skaronsky. I think it would have really the small ball line about the Steelers really need this again with all the tackles. We need to see them over multiple seasons. I need to see his pass pro improve. Other than that, this is not a great pick if he doesn't improve his pass pro right. Because he's supposed to be a left tackle. He struggled at right tackle.
[00:30:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
He will continue to get schooled.
[00:30:20] Speaker C: Exactly on that left side. AFC north. You're going up against Miles Garrett. You're going up against shoot. I mean, even maybe Justin Matabike or something like that. He turned on the jets this year. Yeah, Bengals. I'm thinking Trey Hendrickson and stuff like that. I don't like it. And he couldn't even get a job. He couldn't even get the job over Dan Moore. So I don't know. We'll see what happens next year. He's got to improve his pass pro. I'm going to give it a c plus.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: There you go.
[00:30:52] Speaker C: Maybe a b minus at best. Their run game did improve, like drastically when he was inserted. You know what? I'll go b minus simply because the run game did make a noticeable improvement.
[00:31:02] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[00:31:02] Speaker B: Yeah, but I mean, you know, like he's talking about with the pass. Yeah. Steelers did not have that great of a passing game.
They put him Mason Rudolph.
[00:31:12] Speaker C: That's the understatement of the year.
[00:31:15] Speaker B: They put in Mason Rudolph late in the season. He actually did actually pass for, what was it like 250 plus whatever. The.
[00:31:22] Speaker C: Picket passed for nearly 301st game out of the Mason Rudolph. He got hurt.
[00:31:29] Speaker A: They put in Mason Rudolph because he outperformed Kenny Pickett. I believe that's. I'm almost wrong. That's the reason.
[00:31:34] Speaker C: Wrong.
[00:31:34] Speaker A: There's a reason that Mason Rudolph played those last playoff games.
[00:31:37] Speaker C: No, you know why he played because he didn't do anything to lose the job.
[00:31:42] Speaker A: Exactly. And Kenny Pickett has had points in the season where he has lost that job.
[00:31:47] Speaker C: No, he hasn't.
[00:31:48] Speaker A: Really. He absolutely has.
[00:31:52] Speaker C: The dude that literally has nothing but clutch. What has he done to lose the job?
[00:31:55] Speaker A: Nothing.
[00:31:59] Speaker C: You know the dude who actually lost the job? Trubisky. Okay. That brother stinks. Okay. That brother's a bona fide scrub. Okay? I don't care what anyone says.
[00:32:09] Speaker A: I think people will ride the Matt Canada. And it's not necessarily an unfair opinion to have, but they both made each other worse. Matt Canada was limited, I believe, because of some of the abilities of Kenny Pickett. And Kenny Pickett was also limited by some of the opportunities that Matt Canada gave him. And obviously, I guess we'll see it next season.
[00:32:28] Speaker C: I need to see him with a new match. In fairness, Mason Rudolph was as a quarterback, he had seen other legitimate offensive coordinators in his time with the Steelers. Okay.
[00:32:41] Speaker A: Right.
[00:32:44] Speaker C: Again, like I said, first came out of the break, out of the Matt Canada era. Pickett played pretty well. Okay. Threw for quite a few yards. Obviously they're playing a division rival. And then he got hurt in the very next game. And then after that, had to have surgery, had to put in Rudolph because Trubisky was so bad. Okay. Can't believe I paid $10 million for that.
But at the end of the day, he didn't do anything to lose the job. Quarterback competition. I cannot wait for the picket versus Rudolph versus Justin field stink off. It's going to be a great training camp.
[00:33:19] Speaker A: Oh, man. All right, I guess we'll. Yeah, that's fair enough. I think we'll have to wait and give Kenny Pickett a better judgment after, I guess, two seasons. But if it doesn't improve next season.
[00:33:28] Speaker C: Then it's if he doesn't improve after next season. Say hello to Shanghai.
Get ready to learn Chinese, bud.
[00:33:35] Speaker A: All right. With that, we're going to go to break for a few minutes and we will return with the rest of our opinions on these picks.
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to our final segment of the student section. We're going to continue our draft look.
[00:34:36] Speaker C: Back, call it the lightning round. We're going to get through the rest of the first round pick.
[00:34:40] Speaker B: All right, here we go.
[00:34:41] Speaker A: Wow. That being said, we just reviewed the 14 Steelers taking Broderick Jones to tackle out of Georgia. Now we're going to look at the jets pick at 15 from the packers. Actually part of that Aaron Rogers trade, I believe, where they took Will McDonald the edge from Iowa State.
[00:34:54] Speaker C: B minus.
[00:34:56] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:34:57] Speaker C: He's all right.
[00:34:58] Speaker A: Didn't move the needle for me in analysis show. I would like to hear.
[00:35:01] Speaker C: No, I mean, he just didn't move the needle for me.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: That's a lightning round, man.
[00:35:04] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. It is a lightning round. Okay, so here. Okay. B minus. Didn't really move the kneel for me. Played a little bit. Did okay. Nothing more.
[00:35:11] Speaker A: I'm going to say. I think it was a solid pick. I think he'll continue to improve. I think he's a great player. But understood with that next pick, we're going to look at the commanders taking Emmanuel Forbes, the cornerback out of Mississippi State.
This one's a tough grade because I think he was pretty good in zone this year, but he got killed in man.
[00:35:29] Speaker C: C plus.
[00:35:30] Speaker A: C plus. Fair enough.
[00:35:31] Speaker C: Oh, you know what? All right, analysis time. B plus for zone. F for man.
[00:35:37] Speaker A: I saw somebody say that they call him Forbes list because if you line up on him, you make a lot of money, and I think that's an awesome way to.
[00:35:45] Speaker C: Great analysis.
[00:35:46] Speaker B: All right.
[00:35:46] Speaker A: Yeah, we already.
[00:35:47] Speaker C: Christian Gonzalez.
[00:35:48] Speaker A: Actually, we'll go with.
I'm going to go c minus overall with that. After that, we are going to the next pick with the Patriots taking Christian Gonzalez.
[00:36:00] Speaker C: We already covered this. Incomplete. Hurt.
[00:36:02] Speaker A: Incomplete. That is true. I guess we can kind of gloss over that. I guess we can kind of.
[00:36:06] Speaker C: But whenever he played. B plus.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: Yeah, whenever.
[00:36:09] Speaker C: B plus.
[00:36:10] Speaker A: Yeah. That's important.
[00:36:11] Speaker B: Nice pick.
[00:36:12] Speaker A: Absolutely. So with that, we are now going to the Lions, I believe, with Jack Campbell. Campbell, the linebacker out of Iowa. Graham, how did you feel about it?
[00:36:21] Speaker B: Solid b. I like it.
[00:36:22] Speaker C: I still like solid b. That's it.
Wow.
[00:36:26] Speaker A: B plus. Yeah, that's right.
[00:36:27] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah. You know, played a lot. Played well. I'll give him an a minus for that value wise. Again, terrible.
[00:36:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:36] Speaker C: So in good faith, I cannot rank him that high. B minus.
[00:36:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I was going to go b minus as well, kind of for the same reasons. Pretty good, solid player, but off ball linebacker, terrible sound. It's a tough thing to justify. He's got to really play well to make it higher grade. After that, we have Kalijah Canti going to the bucks. The defensive tackle out of Pitt.
[00:36:55] Speaker C: Yeah. I remember whenever you guys brought me in because no one knew who it was.
[00:36:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I knew who it was.
[00:36:59] Speaker C: No, right. By everyone else.
[00:37:00] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true.
[00:37:01] Speaker C: Okay. B plus. Thought he played well. Got a lot of sacks. Actually played pretty well in the playoffs that he appeared in kind of a run defense. Monster sack machine. So, yeah, Brad bomb.
[00:37:10] Speaker A: I'm going to go b minus. He only had four sacks on the year, which is tough for a defensive tackle, but he was supposed to be. That was kind of supposed to be his brand was sacks. He's a pass rushing tackle, and he's a little disappointing in that regard.
[00:37:21] Speaker C: Thought he upped his run defense, though.
[00:37:22] Speaker A: He did up it a little bit, but I think taking him at 19, I don't know. I think there was guys that you could prioritize.
[00:37:29] Speaker B: He was a little bit.
[00:37:30] Speaker C: I think if you're going for a defensive tackle, if you're going to say, that's my guy, that was the guy to get at that.
[00:37:35] Speaker A: Yeah. You can argue he was a little.
[00:37:36] Speaker B: Bit of a headache for us in the playoffs.
[00:37:38] Speaker A: I would actually say I would take Brian Percy over Kalija cancer in my opinion, but I guess we'll get to that here in a second. But next pick, Seahawks taking Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Ohio State a plus.
[00:37:49] Speaker C: Great value. I thought he was going to go way higher.
[00:37:51] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. I'd have to agree. I'm cool with Drew Lock. Mastercard fits into that offense perfectly with those two other receivers. I was a huge fan of that move.
[00:37:59] Speaker C: Let's talk about the Miami Dolphins. Okay, next.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: Then we've got the Chargers taking f.
[00:38:06] Speaker C: There's a send that brother to the glue factory. I never, ever want to hear again that Quentin Johnson was the best wide receiver in this draft.
[00:38:14] Speaker A: No, I was saying he was the best.
[00:38:16] Speaker C: I remember distinctly that Mr. Adrian Wesley, who we had a moment of silence. He said that Quinn Johnson. He said I was crazy for not having Quinn and Johnson in my top three last year. That brother. That brother stinks, right?
[00:38:29] Speaker A: Okay, you did have him at four, but terrible.
[00:38:33] Speaker B: He completely sold.
[00:38:34] Speaker C: I didn't think it was going to be that bad, but I mean, yeah, exactly.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: There's a little bit of confirmation bias. Terrible, but still worked out.
[00:38:39] Speaker B: The dude was the reason they single handedly lost a couple games.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I think you have to go.
[00:38:43] Speaker C: Especially it looks worse with the pick right after. Exactly. Then you have not really. Okay, not too bad.
[00:38:50] Speaker A: Then you have Zay Flowers going to the Ravens, who I think is. I'm going to give that a minus B plus.
[00:38:57] Speaker B: A.
[00:38:58] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[00:38:59] Speaker C: Great player. Saw him a lot. I think he's a great.
[00:39:01] Speaker A: Improved all season.
[00:39:02] Speaker C: He did improve all season. Really boneheaded mistakes at times. I understand that he's a rookie mature.
[00:39:08] Speaker A: Yeah, he will. But overall, from a player perspective, I think it's an easy a minus. After that, another receiver, Jordan Addison, goes Vikings. A minus.
[00:39:17] Speaker C: He was really, really good at the start of the year. Actually kind of confirmed biased. I had him as my best wide receiver in the class. I was told that it was just glaze of pit. That wasn't true. However, I thought he filled in admirably in Justin Jefferson's absence.
[00:39:31] Speaker A: He did. He really did a great job and obviously once Kirk Cousins went down, it became a little bit more barren.
[00:39:37] Speaker C: And then I think he had a little bit of an injury problem there towards the tail end of the season.
[00:39:43] Speaker A: Stick with a minus.
[00:39:44] Speaker C: A minus, Elliot.
[00:39:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a solid a and just wait until Kurt Karzen comes.
[00:39:48] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:39:48] Speaker C: Future Steeler.
[00:39:49] Speaker A: Future Steeler. I'm going to go a minus as well, that being said, we're going to move to 24 with the Giants taking Deontay Banks, the quarterback, out of Maryland.
[00:40:00] Speaker C: C plus. That's fair. I don't know, to be quite honest with you, I forgot this dude got drafted by the Giants.
[00:40:08] Speaker B: Yeah, me too.
[00:40:09] Speaker A: I'm going to go with they.
[00:40:12] Speaker C: He was solid. I just forgot that the dude was drafted in the first round.
[00:40:16] Speaker A: That's fair. And being a cornerback with the Giants didn't help his case too much. It's a pretty barren, barren defense.
[00:40:21] Speaker C: It's a barren defense. But I think especially with like the Forbes pick and this pick, the Joey Porter Jr. Slide to 32, I think looks worse.
[00:40:29] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah, 100%. You can argue that.
I understand that making the grade lower with Porter Jr. Being available, but yeah. Moving on. Bills taking Dalton Kincaid, tight end out of Utah.
[00:40:42] Speaker C: Torch Steelers.
[00:40:45] Speaker A: I'm a big fan of Dalton Kincaid. I thought it was a good move for, I think he fills into that offense, really, and, you know, given an elite quarterback, a consistent, good receiver at tight end, I think it's a huge part of the offense and I think he filled that in quite well. But then we have probably not as positive of a pick. F. Cowboys taking Mazzy Smith, the Michigan defensive tackle.
[00:41:08] Speaker C: I distinctly remember rolling around on the floor laughing when this was the pick. This was so out of left field and such a bad reach. It is unbelievable. He was supposed to, quote, stop the run. This brother was like a turnstile. Okay. I mean, he was like letting people down into the subway.
[00:41:24] Speaker A: So f. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm going to roll with the f as well, obviously hoping that he can improve and climb back. Same thing for all the players that we've graded very negatively. But yeah, moving on, Jaguars from the bill, taking Anton Harrison, the Oklahoma tackle.
[00:41:42] Speaker C: C plus. I think he had a lot of penalties. If I don't remember, he was a penalty happy tackle.
[00:41:48] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll go see.
[00:41:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm going to go see as well. All right. After that. Wow, we've been moving through this. Bengals.
[00:41:55] Speaker C: Well, we can do a few in the first of the.
[00:41:59] Speaker B: We got some good guys here.
[00:42:01] Speaker A: All right, so Bengals taking Miles Murphy, the Clemson edge.
[00:42:05] Speaker C: I just don't remember we played him twice. Don't remember really hearing his name. I'm going to give it a c plus.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm going to go c minus. I wasn't a huge fan of him coming out of college, but at 28, got your guy. Got your guy, but maybe wasn't the right guy. Saints Brian per c defensive tackle out.
[00:42:23] Speaker C: Of Clemson be honest with you, I did not watch a lot of Saints games. I did not really see him stacking up the sheet.
C plus, b minus.
[00:42:32] Speaker A: Maybe I'm going to go with a b for this pick.
[00:42:36] Speaker B: I'll go b minus.
[00:42:37] Speaker A: Yeah. I think it's a pretty solid player overall, but it's also tough for defensive tackles to really show up.
[00:42:44] Speaker C: I agree.
[00:42:45] Speaker A: Jalen Carter set a certain standard.
[00:42:47] Speaker C: Carter sets a standard. I think you saw Kansi a lot from a DT perspective.
[00:42:50] Speaker A: I think pursue was definitely.
[00:42:51] Speaker C: I guess we kind of mentioned Mozzie Smith was obviously on the bad end of that scale.
[00:42:55] Speaker A: Right? But yeah, no, that's fair.
[00:42:57] Speaker C: He just didn't do anything that really moved the needle for me in either direction. I was very much right.
[00:43:02] Speaker A: Absolutely. All right, then we have a plus.
[00:43:05] Speaker C: I hate to say it's a plus.
[00:43:07] Speaker A: A plus, Nolan. So you think he was just great value.
[00:43:10] Speaker C: It's just really good.
[00:43:10] Speaker A: I'm not going to go a plus, but I would agree with you that value freak athlete. Yeah, dude.
[00:43:17] Speaker C: Dude. It's like a swiss army knife of like a linebacker. It's insane. It just makes me mad that the Eagles took him. And Jalen Carter.
[00:43:25] Speaker A: Yeah, he'll fit in, especially with maybe another year or two.
[00:43:28] Speaker B: He's only going to get better, too.
[00:43:29] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:43:30] Speaker C: The brother was already mean.
[00:43:32] Speaker A: He's a very talented player. And then again, probably I would say my most surprising pick in the first round was the Chiefs taking Felix on Azama, the Kansas State edge. This is an f. This is pretty out of nowhere.
[00:43:46] Speaker C: This was out of nowhere. And the dude, like, did he play?
[00:43:49] Speaker A: I think he did, but on what special? I was going to say, I don't.
[00:43:52] Speaker B: Know if I remember.
[00:43:53] Speaker C: Look, I'm just saying there are guys in like the fourth, fifth and 6th rounds that were edge rushers that played more than this guy. I mean, seriously. Now that might have been out of necessity, but shoot, man, they had just taken Carloff this like a couple of years previous.
[00:44:08] Speaker A: I think Carloff is pretty good and he's really good.
[00:44:10] Speaker C: And so I did not understand this pick.
[00:44:12] Speaker A: They may have just wanted to solidify the other end. Even though you would think that you want them to take receiver, he's just.
[00:44:18] Speaker C: Warming the bench whenever it's minus ten.
[00:44:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
Oh, man. All right, so that's the end of the first round, but we can go through some of the picks at the top of second, mainly starting with Joey Porter, probably one of the more important.
[00:44:30] Speaker C: Ones at this de facto first round pick.
[00:44:32] Speaker A: De facto. That is true. He was the 32nd pick. The Dolphins just lost theirs because a lot of stuff went on over there. But, Elliot, why don't you give us a quick grade?
[00:44:42] Speaker C: You know what? And it's been well documented. I was very low on Joey Porter Jr. I thought that he was really penalty happy. Still isn't in the NFL. Okay, so he needs to fix was. I was concerned with his lack of turnover production. He did pick off Lamar. It only happened one time.
Okay, so you know what, though? I don't know why they just could not start him from the start. Same issue that I had with them with the Pickett situation. Just start the dude from the start. There was no reason to have old man Pat, Pete and Levi Wallace playing ahead of Joey Porter Jr. Whenever he was locking down every number one receiver, this dude surprised me. He does have to cut back on the penalties, though, for the value, considering some of the cornerbacks that were taking above a.
[00:45:27] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. A all right, then we have. I guess we'll probably get to the next, maybe two or three. We've got Will Levis going to the Titans at 33.
[00:45:37] Speaker C: B average.
[00:45:39] Speaker A: Average quarterback. Very average. Very average. Yeah. Then I guess we've got a fun one for Graham. The Lions taking Sam Laporta, the Iowa Titan.
[00:45:47] Speaker C: I'll let you go first. Graham. A plus.
[00:45:50] Speaker B: A plus.
[00:45:51] Speaker A: I think I would be okay with that.
Being picked at 34 and having the role in the offense that he had and the production that he had. You have to go a plus.
[00:45:59] Speaker B: I love the pick at the time, too.
[00:46:01] Speaker A: Absolutely. And it was kind of surprising for him to go over Michael Mayer, who was widely looked at as the top guy next.
Thank you, Elliot. That's actually where I'm going.
[00:46:11] Speaker C: Oh, I didn't know that.
[00:46:12] Speaker A: If you would let me transition that.
[00:46:14] Speaker C: My bad, brother.
[00:46:15] Speaker A: But, yeah, the Raiders took Michael Mayer, who flashed at points, but that's about all you say. Yeah, I would say c plus looks.
[00:46:24] Speaker C: Bad with the little Portugal right before him. Looks like a panic pick.
[00:46:27] Speaker A: Yeah, a little bit.
C Graham, c. Fair enough.
[00:46:32] Speaker C: There are some that there's just some players on here that I'm not even going to get.
[00:46:38] Speaker A: There's two grades that I think we definitely want to give are one, the Brian branch going to the Lions.
I think that's worthy of giving it a high grade. I think he was a very good player.
[00:46:48] Speaker C: A minus.
[00:46:49] Speaker A: Yeah. A minus. A. I would agree there. And one that call it bias, but I kind of want to brush over while we're here, Jonathan Mingo going to the Panthers at 39.
Maybe a little hindsight bias here, but I'm going to grade it like a c now. Maybe c minus.
[00:47:07] Speaker C: I'll go with c minus on that one.
[00:47:08] Speaker A: Yeah. He had his chances to be a productive member of the offense, but he did not necessarily perform when the time came. But are there any other picks that you guys want to bring up from Jaden Reed?
[00:47:21] Speaker B: I like. I like Jaden Reed. The way he, he really ascended late in the year. And this packers, their young receiving corps.
[00:47:30] Speaker C: It'S only getting need, I don't remember who. I think it's Christian Watson. That brother needs to get like a new strength and conditioning coach because that dude, I swear is out like every other week, right?
[00:47:42] Speaker A: Absolutely. All right.
[00:47:44] Speaker C: I do actually have a throw in pick I would like to do.
[00:47:46] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:47:46] Speaker C: Please do. And no, it's not Nick Herbig, although for the value, that is an a minus.
[00:47:51] Speaker A: Right.
[00:47:52] Speaker C: I'm actually going to go with Devon h hand.
I was really high on h hand coming out of college. Absolutely. Third round pick, a plus.
[00:48:01] Speaker A: Fair enough. For sure. My last pick that I did want to bring up, we mentioned it a little bit earlier, but tank Dell going to the Texans at the 69th pick, I think that was a great move. He fit in that offense so well. The only doubts about him were just the size, but from a movement and skill perspective, he was absolutely fantastic. And obviously playing at Houston also affected it and that also probably came from size in terms of his recruiting. But yeah.
Grade? Oh, grade. For taking him at 69, I would probably go at a. A. Yeah, easily lock. Yeah, a.
[00:48:38] Speaker B: Maybe a plus. Maybe a. Yeah.
[00:48:39] Speaker A: I would consider a plus, but I'm probably going to stick with a but yeah. All right with that. If we've got nothing else to add on, I guess we're going to go ahead and work on getting out of here. Everybody, thank you so much for listening. We'll be back next week with some more probably review content, especially with the draft continuing to keep coming. We'll probably still talk about what that has to offer, but for now, everyone, enjoy your weekend.
