Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: WVUA FM, Tuscaloosa.
[00:00:09] Speaker B: And we are back. You are listening to the student section, NFL on WVUA 90.7, the Capstone. I am your host, Jalen Brooks, and I'm here with all my co hosts, Tanner Thompson.
[00:00:20] Speaker A: What up?
[00:00:20] Speaker B: Connor Rolls.
[00:00:21] Speaker C: Hello. Hello.
[00:00:22] Speaker B: And Evan Cisaneras. What's up, Evan? You good? Yeah. You sounded so depressed right there. I just want to double check. What's up?
[00:00:31] Speaker D: I didn't know what to say.
[00:00:32] Speaker C: Hey, guys.
[00:00:33] Speaker B: You're all good. I was just making sure everything was all good on your end. So we're back after some time off and a lot of good games to talk about, but why don't we just go ahead and get started with that game last night? There's so much to talk about. Bills versus Broncos. Where do you want to begin?
[00:00:48] Speaker A: Talk about an embarrassing loss for the Bills, man.
[00:00:53] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:00:53] Speaker A: Just, I mean, if nothing else, losing to the Denver Broncos, who have not been a great team all year. I will say they've shut down some teams in the past few games, but haven't been a great team all year.
And to lose it in the fashion that they did, that is a brutal way. Brutal way to lose that football game, man.
[00:01:14] Speaker C: I know I said it earlier in the year.
Josh Allen, I kind of compared him to Carson Wentz after Brian Dable left and think this game just further proved my point. He has not looked good whatsoever at protecting the football. I mean, sure, he can move the ball every once in a while. I guess we've seen that in the past few games. But feel like every game he plays in, he throws at least one interception.
[00:01:38] Speaker B: Feels like it.
[00:01:38] Speaker C: It's not really a great sign to see from your franchise quarterback. And we saw Stefan Diggs brother, Trayvon Diggs just start going off on Josh Allen talking about how he was nobody until Stefan Diggs got there, basically.
[00:01:53] Speaker A: I did not see that.
[00:01:54] Speaker C: Yeah. So it's rough in Buffalo. I know they just fired their offensive coordinator, Ken Dorsey.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: Yeah. His most famous clip. Arguably probably him breaking that little screen.
[00:02:06] Speaker A: Oh, that was him. I completely forgot about that.
[00:02:09] Speaker B: Probably his best moment as a Buffalo Bill. But I will say, to your credit, you're absolutely right. I was shocked to go on to X. I almost said Twitter, but to go on it is still Twitter.
[00:02:19] Speaker C: I don't call it Twitter, but he.
[00:02:20] Speaker B: Says, let's not change it. You're so cool on here. We're going to call it Twitter. But it was so interesting to go on to Twitter after the game and then just see man 14. Got to get up out of there.
[00:02:30] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:02:31] Speaker B: Trayvon Diggs.
[00:02:32] Speaker A: That's crazy.
[00:02:33] Speaker B: It also kind of just to point out, like, Stephen A to start the season before the NFL season started. Stephen A on his show, the Stephen A. Smith show, even though I don't know why I'm saying, giving him so much press right now, but basically he said, Stefan Diggs wants out of Buffalo. And this was before the season started.
[00:02:54] Speaker A: Right.
[00:02:54] Speaker B: And as time progresses and as the season's going along, man, it looks like Stephen A's his source was, right.
[00:03:02] Speaker C: Well, yeah. When they asked upon Diggs after that all came out, he was like, what are you talking about? Things are great. I know. You can't really look too far into just stuff you see from media clips picked out and from the beginning of the season, they looked good. Everything looked fine. Stefan Diggs was getting the ball. He was putting up these numbers, and then out of nowhere, they're five and five now. They're nowhere near what they were last year, what people thought they would be this year. So I wouldn't be surprised if Stefan Diggs was gone after this year because it's not looking great. Right?
[00:03:35] Speaker B: Yeah, we're. Wow. It'd be really cool to see Stefan. Not to hype you up, Tanner, but don't do that.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: I know what you're about to say. Don't give me that hope.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: All right, I won't. I won't say it. But you know what I'm thinking?
[00:03:45] Speaker A: I know exactly what you're thinking.
[00:03:47] Speaker B: But where could you see Diggs going if this were to happen?
[00:03:50] Speaker C: It sucks, but I mean, Cowboys maybe just to reunite with this brother. I wouldn't want that to happen. I could see the Giants.
[00:03:58] Speaker B: I could see as Josh Allen, as Daniel Jones.
[00:04:02] Speaker C: Just the market. I don't think Daniel Jones is going.
[00:04:05] Speaker A: To be there much draft quarterback.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: I do, too.
[00:04:09] Speaker C: So I think him going to Just moving across the state would work.
[00:04:13] Speaker A: I mean, it's still a rookie quarterback at the end of the day. And if you want to find improvement, I guess going to a rookie.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: Yeah, but that's what mean.
[00:04:24] Speaker C: Go back to Brian Dable.
It worked perfectly when he was with them. Stefan Diggs was getting the ball. That's fair. It was a good mean. We could also. I know you don't want me to say it, but the Panthers would be a good fit.
[00:04:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:37] Speaker C: A playmaker next to Bryce Young.
[00:04:40] Speaker A: It surely would. Incoming. We get Stefan Diggs and T Higgins in free agency.
[00:04:45] Speaker B: See, that's just wishful thinking. Hopefully.
[00:04:46] Speaker A: I know, not even wishful. Maybe even be a stretch. It may just be Madden.
[00:04:53] Speaker C: Madden.
[00:04:54] Speaker A: I did it in franchise that one time, so it must be able to happen.
[00:04:57] Speaker C: No, I traded for Aaron Donald and Hassan Reddick and Dhop all in one year. So I think that could happen.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:05:04] Speaker B: You guys must have like the fourth trade on or like something. Yeah, 100%. So let me ask you this.
On the other side of things, the Broncos, they look like they're starting to get better as the season goes along. They've had two impressive wins. Now, I think one of the Chiefs, and now over the Bills, Russell Wilson's starting to cook. Let him cook.
[00:05:23] Speaker A: Let him cook.
[00:05:24] Speaker C: Let him cook.
[00:05:25] Speaker B: Is prime Russ back.
[00:05:26] Speaker C: Okay. I wouldn't go that far. Yeah. Whatsoever. But I thought they had a pretty good roster coming into the year. I thought Sean Payton wasn't as bad as a coach as Nathaniel Hackett. So thought there would be a little room for improvement.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: I think that 70 20 loss just made everyone. It was easy for everyone to be like, oh, wow, the Broncos are just horrific. Even though football is weird, man, they literally just beat the Bills. The Bills handled the Dolphins and Dolphins beat the Broncos by 50 points.
[00:05:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:05:54] Speaker A: That just shows how the parity, I think, for one, is unlike any other with the NFL.
But to this extent, man, to lose by a record breaking, to give up a record breaking amount of points and yards and then to beat the guys who handled that same team weeks later, that shows improvement or it just shows how weird football is.
[00:06:22] Speaker C: Ever since the 70 point loss. I think if I'm counting it correctly, they are four and two.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:06:30] Speaker C: Since that so feel like that was an eye opener. I mean, it should be an eye opener. You shouldn't really lose by 50 points in the NFL. Feel like you have too much talent to do that.
But I'm looking at the standings right now. The Broncos are, I mean, gain back maybe from the second seed in the.
You got the Broncos and Chargers both have the same record with four and five. Then the Raiders are five and mean. Of course, the Chiefs are seven and, I mean, we could really see the Broncos out of nowhere, just being contention for the AFC West.
[00:07:05] Speaker A: They could make a push.
[00:07:06] Speaker C: The Chiefs haven't really been dominating so far this year.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: They've been winning, but not to the Chiefs that we've been accustomed to seeing in dominating fashion.
[00:07:15] Speaker C: I could see the Chiefs drop a.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: Few games also with this Broncos team, it's still impressive when over the Bills, but the Bills have not been playing good football recently. I still think that it's worth mentioning that this is a bad Buffalo team. Right now. So maybe it is that the Broncos have just improved that much as the season's gone on, or maybe they're still about the same team. They had a good game and just the Bills just aren't very good. But I just find it a little hard to see the Broncos making a late playoff push.
[00:07:50] Speaker C: Speaking. I know we talked back since the 70 point to 20 loss with the Broncos. Since the Bills beat the Dolphins back on October 1, they are two and four.
[00:08:01] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:08:02] Speaker C: With losses coming to teams such as Jacksonville, the Patriots, the Bengals and the Broncos.
And the Jaguars, of course.
[00:08:11] Speaker B: So let me ask you guys a question. Evan, you can speak in on this as the fan, just a lot of noise has been made about the Dolphins and not to transition, and I want to keep it mostly on the Bills. But my question being there's a lot of noise or a narrative been going around that the Dolphins haven't gotten a good win against any good.
This seeing the struggle of the Bills, does that help that conversation, that narrative?
[00:08:36] Speaker C: You want to go, Evan?
[00:08:38] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't think so.
I've been actually wanting to talk about this for a while. I think Mike McDaniel, great offensive coach, but when it comes to playing good teams with good defenses and it kind of just seems like you don't know that they are going to win. I think he tries way too hard.
[00:08:58] Speaker C: You think he overthinks?
[00:09:00] Speaker D: He really does. In the Bills game in the very early stages, it was working out great.
I think in the very first quarter it was 1414, just an absolute shootout. But once they get one stop, he just starts overthinking and maybe he'll run twice. And now they have a third and twelve instead of a third and one or not even getting a third down to start out with. We saw that with the Chiefs. We saw that with the Bills, the Eagles. That was more of just getting overpowered by that defensive line. But I don't really like that narrative because I think it's more of a mental thing and I think they will iron it out, which is why I still have them as maybe a little bit of bias, but my maybe top three contenders. Top three contenders in the AFC.
[00:09:47] Speaker C: When was the last time I beat a team over 500 or 500?
[00:09:50] Speaker D: About like 400 some days.
[00:09:51] Speaker C: Okay.
I don't think there is any way I can consider the Dolphins being a contender if they cannot relatively come close to beating a contender.
[00:10:01] Speaker A: I know the last they came close to beating the Chiefs.
[00:10:05] Speaker D: Except against the Bills, it was a one score to one score plus a play game away. From being an actual game.
[00:10:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:14] Speaker C: I mean, we look at the Chiefs game and Tua had a chance to win the game. When it timed to it, he threw a duck into the ground on a wide open touchdown. So I can't consider the Dolphins anywhere near a contender at this point in time just because they have not shown anything against good opponents.
[00:10:32] Speaker A: Right.
[00:10:33] Speaker C: It's easy to beat bad opponents. Well, I say it's easy to beat.
[00:10:37] Speaker D: Bad opponents, but we see the Bills, we see the Chiefs losing these bad games, we see even the Ravens having some bad losses, which are all top, or I Guess not the Bills anymore, but people are saying these are top contenders when they're dropping bad losses to bad teams.
[00:10:53] Speaker C: What is a bad loss for the Ravens?
[00:10:55] Speaker A: They've lost Browns. Last week I saw Browns, the Steelers, I believe they lost.
[00:11:02] Speaker C: Yeah, they did lose to the Steelers. They beat.
[00:11:03] Speaker A: Steelers are six and three.
[00:11:05] Speaker C: Okay, so you want to talk about the Ravens? You want to talk about the Ravens, about how they lose to bad teams, stuff like that. They also beat the Lions 38 to six. They also beat the Seahawks 37 to three. So they can beat the good teams, the Dolphins can beat the bad teams, but when it comes to a good teams, they start shaking in their boots and they get a little scared.
[00:11:24] Speaker A: It's also an incredible sign to see how badly the Ravens can beat these really good teams. You know what I mean? It's one thing if you're snaking out wins by a touchdown, but these were huge wins. And to do that against what teams that we all consider near the top of their conferences, I mean, that is a huge sign for the Raven.
[00:11:44] Speaker C: The Lions are what, like eight and two?
[00:11:46] Speaker A: Something along those lines.
[00:11:48] Speaker C: Seven and two.
What are they?
[00:11:50] Speaker D: I'm reading the old thing.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: It's okay.
[00:11:53] Speaker C: They're seven and two, right?
[00:11:54] Speaker A: Two.
[00:11:55] Speaker C: That's an impressive win for the Ravens.
[00:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:57] Speaker C: I mean, speaking of Ravens, Thursday Night Football coming up, it's going to be a great matchup between the Ravens and the Bengals. And we just mentioned the talk about the Ravens right now, and they lost a tough game to Cleveland.
Did any of y'all expect that loss after?
[00:12:15] Speaker B: Well, I knew Cleveland's defense would give them some trouble, but I wouldn't say I would necessarily think Cleveland was going to get the win, but I did think it was going to be closer than a lot of people expected.
[00:12:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I think this Browns team has gotten, I mean, it's weird to say it, but I think this Browns team's gotten a little bit underrated throughout the season. I think it's a really good defense.
[00:12:33] Speaker B: They're my fantasy defense and I haven't dropped them yet.
[00:12:36] Speaker A: You shouldn't drop them a lot.
[00:12:38] Speaker B: That's how confident I've been in the Browns.
[00:12:41] Speaker A: But yeah, and again, I don't think it's that bad. And it's also like it was a game winning drive and Lamar didn't have a great day. And it's a very fair justification, but that's going to happen throughout the season. You're going to lose those close games and it's against a division opponent who I believe they've already played this year.
[00:12:56] Speaker C: I think so.
[00:12:58] Speaker A: I believe this is their second time playing the Browns. So. And again, honestly, I think it is very fair to lose that second know, there's a very rare, and especially in this high level of football for Utah teams that you see twice a year. Even if they aren't widely regarded as a great team, sometimes they're just going to know how to beat you. It's like what the Patriots do with the Bills almost every year, every time they play, even if it know, even the Patriots just look like the worst team in the NFL for that season. They always make it close because I think there's something about Bill Belichick knowing that team, and also we know how great a defensive coach Bill Belichick is. There's something about him knowing that team and knowing how to succeed.
[00:13:35] Speaker C: So when I said I didn't really expect him to win, this was coming at a time when it was like a 14 or it was a two score lead with like six minutes left for the Ravens and then the Browns go down and score and then Lamar Jackson goes to pick six to Greg Newsom, I'm like, what just happened? This was just a two score game, like a minute and a half ago, and then they ended up missing the extra point and then they came down and made the game winning drive the field goal. So I thought that was crazy. That was a crazy game to witness in the final minutes.
[00:14:09] Speaker B: And speaking of that game, Evan actually called that game last week. And Evan, can you remind everyone why you thought the Ravens weren't. We're going to lose that one.
[00:14:17] Speaker D: I was not here last week.
[00:14:19] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sorry. Two weeks ago when you made your.
[00:14:21] Speaker D: Picks, whenever I said the Ravens weren't my top contenders, they did go out and beat the Seahawks, who I said were good, by 34 points.
So they must have heard the show.
[00:14:34] Speaker A: I also believe you said they were a contender before they beat the Lions by roughly that same number as well.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: Right?
[00:14:39] Speaker D: Okay, here's my problem with the Ravens. In the past two or three years, we've seen so many comebacks against them. The Dolphins have come back twice.
The Browns just came back. I saw a graphic on ESPN or like two or three more games where they have big leads and just fumble it away. And they just aren't proven to me. Whenever they were the best team in the NFL, they lost to the Derrick Henry Titans, and that was years and years ago. But it's still the same Lamar Jackson and John Harbaugh. I just don't think they've proven themselves as a fair.
[00:15:21] Speaker B: That's a fair take.
[00:15:22] Speaker A: I'm not too upset at that.
Lamar has an MVP under his belt.
[00:15:26] Speaker C: Yeah, he does.
[00:15:26] Speaker A: They haven't proved themselves.
[00:15:27] Speaker D: They've got past.
[00:15:29] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:15:29] Speaker D: I don't think they've even made a conference championship together and they've been the best team in the NFL.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: I believe Lamar has one playoff win in his career, but it's also they.
[00:15:37] Speaker C: Got a whole new offensive coordinator this year that has shown signs of improving.
[00:15:41] Speaker D: The past game, and yet they still lose these big league games.
[00:15:46] Speaker C: They still destroy the, like, don't get.
[00:15:49] Speaker A: Me wrong, this is a loss, but again, it's still a game winning field goal against the team they've already seen this year. And it's a talented defense. And Deshaun Watson finally came to play.
[00:15:59] Speaker B: In the second half, too.
[00:16:00] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:16:01] Speaker B: In the first half. Where was he?
[00:16:02] Speaker A: This team can be really good. This Browns team can be really good if Deshaun Watson is playing good football. We just haven't been able to see that this year. But that second half, he actually was making a lot of plays that were pushing the ball downfield. And so I don't think. This isn't know. I don't want this to knock the status of the Ravens too much.
[00:16:20] Speaker C: Yeah, this game, I feel like it's not as much of a knock on the Ravens, but it's as more as. Okay, Browns are actually like, they might be for real.
[00:16:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree.
[00:16:30] Speaker C: I don't really look at the Ravens any differently because we know what they can do on any given Sunday. But the way the Browns just came back, the way the defense was just clutch at the end of the game, and Deshaun Watson was like, hey, I kind of remember how to play football again. They led this team to an impressive.
[00:16:49] Speaker B: Win and also seems like they're finding more weapons. I mean, you talk about that undrafted rookie, the running back, he's pretty much Jerome Brown. Not Jerome Ford. Not Jerome Ford. I'm talking for the Keanu Mitchell or something.
[00:17:04] Speaker A: Keaton Mitchell.
[00:17:05] Speaker B: Keaton Mitchell. I don't know what school he went to. I'm for blanking on that right now.
[00:17:09] Speaker A: He's explosive.
[00:17:11] Speaker B: He's a guy that can make a play.
[00:17:13] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:17:13] Speaker B: If he gets out in the open field, he is dangerous. And I think now that the Ravens are starting to because of injuries, I know I forget who went down JK Dobbins early in the year.
[00:17:24] Speaker A: Unfortunate, man, that guy.
[00:17:25] Speaker B: Just hopefully he can stay healthy.
[00:17:27] Speaker A: He could be so good.
[00:17:29] Speaker B: He really could. But also, we've seen they're good in the short.
[00:17:39] Speaker A: They're on the roster.
[00:17:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:41] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying?
[00:17:43] Speaker B: Gus Edwards is nice for fantasy, but I don't think you want him to be your starting running back. But I think now that the Ravens are coming, over the past two weeks, you've seen more and more they're using the undrafted rookie, just creating a different spark on that offense for them. So absolutely, they're still finding themselves, too. So I do want to add that into consideration for the Ravens. I still have them as contenders, and I don't think we even seen this team perform to the best of its abilities yet.
[00:18:06] Speaker A: Not at me.
[00:18:08] Speaker B: And I know Connor, we were talking about this potential matchup coming in later this week. You said Ravens versus Bengals.
[00:18:14] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:18:14] Speaker B: So I kind of want to ask you about that other team on their game that they just lost to to the Texans.
What are your takeaways from that game?
[00:18:23] Speaker C: I think the Bengals defense was kind of worrisome. CJ Stroud was just electric the whole game, and I mean, the last few weeks he's been really good with just Nico Collins, Noah Brown, Tank Dell.
Dalton Schultz has been a really good tight end these last few weeks, so he's been electric. The O line's actually blocking. I think Demiko Ryan's doing a great job with that locker room, and just as a head coach in general, he set a culture for, but I just. I truly think the.
[00:18:55] Speaker A: It was.
[00:18:56] Speaker C: It was a rough way to end the game. He had a great game, but the ending to it wasn't left a lot to be desired. A lot of interceptions. So was it back to back drives? He threw a pick in the clutch, I believe so.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: I believe that last drive, though, there was a bad drive from Tyler Boyd, though, or something.
[00:19:10] Speaker C: Yeah, in the end was right.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: That's a tough one. And picks are weird in the NFL. It's really hard to consistently decide whose fault interceptions and turnovers in general are on, but look like that one hit.
[00:19:23] Speaker B: Him in his hands, though.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. That one is pretty hard to put that on Joe Burrow.
[00:19:26] Speaker C: Yeah, it is. So I do think, again, I think it's the same way with the Ravens. I think I don't really feel any indifferent about the Bengals. Yes, I wish they would have pulled it out, but drops are going to happen. It was just a bad break. I think this just shows how electric the Texans offense is with. I don't want to say no names, but coming into this year, no one.
[00:19:47] Speaker A: Really thought it would be no names for sure.
[00:19:49] Speaker B: I think the biggest name that they had coming into this year was their sophomore running back Pierce. And then probably, I mean, I would.
[00:19:58] Speaker C: Still consider Dalton Schultz because he was still good with the Cowboys.
[00:20:00] Speaker B: He was a good signing, I'll give him that.
[00:20:02] Speaker A: There was just severe lack of experience in the pass catching department, but that mean they've proved that wrong to an extent. Tank Dell has been a baller so far this year.
[00:20:11] Speaker B: And Noah Brown.
[00:20:12] Speaker A: Noah Brown, also from the Cowboys.
[00:20:15] Speaker C: Exactly seven receptions for 172 yards, right. That's insane.
[00:20:19] Speaker A: I think coming into the season Nico Collins only had like 70 catches his career. So again, there was just a big lack of experience in that department. But maybe that's just worked well with CJ Stroud and how they've been able to just kind like start a foundation with each other, I guess, from a coordination perspective with the quarterback and the receivers. And, I mean, it's obviously panned out and we know how good CJ Stroud is. Man, that guy is unbelievable. Incredible quarterback.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: It really makes that narrative for all I know. We talked about it on our podcast, our new podcast, actually, the Crimson Case.
I know we talked about this just a little bit, but that narrative of him, the IQ test being a test taker, the low scores, he said it best when he was asked about it. Man, I just play football.
[00:21:04] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:21:05] Speaker B: And if you doubt that, just remember this.
[00:21:08] Speaker A: Yeah, and dude, it's when you watch him play, it is so clear that he is not lacking anything mentally.
He sees the field so well.
And again, I think I've talked about this a little bit, but his combination of being able to rip a ball, aggressiveness and also throwing a really catchable ball is one of the better makes his throws. Some of my favorite to watch in the NFL. If when there's touch, there is generally perfect touch. And if he needs to zip it, he's very capable of getting power on it. And he is aggressive with where he wants to put the ball because he's incredibly accurate and he does not need a large window.
[00:21:46] Speaker B: I wanted to ask, did you see that clip of. I don't know who it was, but it was going viral on Twitter. It was breaking down the CJ Stroud in the pocket against the Bengals and this play didn't count, but it just shows how many different reads he was doing all at once. And when you see when this guy breaks it down, especially in slow motion, it's unbelievable. It's like, oh, my God. I think this is like.
Might be a little bold to say the second coming of Aaron Rodgers, but the way that he's processing, it's a little bold. I think it's bold, but I think.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: In play style, they're a little bit different.
[00:22:19] Speaker C: In my opinion.
[00:22:22] Speaker A: I think he is closer to Drew Brees, and that may be weird to say build wise, but in terms of how he can just take apart defenses from the pocket at every level of the field with relatively elite accuracy, I think it's where I would probably put him closer to Drew beats. Aaron Rodgers was just. He was an elite improviser and had an absolute rocket. And NCJ's job, not that he can't do those things, but Aaron Rodgers in his prime was.
[00:22:49] Speaker B: It's hard to beat.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: Exactly. He's one of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen play in his prime.
[00:22:54] Speaker B: That's why I say bold. If not, he could make the case.
[00:22:56] Speaker A: To be fair, so is Drew Brees in his prime? So I don't want to knock that too much, but it is kind of refreshing. Not refreshing. That makes it sound weird, but it's cool to see a player tearing apart defenses, mostly from the pocket, just with incredibly accurate balls.
[00:23:13] Speaker C: Yeah, because nowadays we just get a bunch of dual threats. Yes, dual threats. But a lot of it is. It's the improvising, it's the running around.
[00:23:21] Speaker A: Right.
[00:23:22] Speaker B: Which he can do.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: He is very capable of doing it, but again, he only does it when he thinks he genuinely needs to buy time for somebody.
[00:23:29] Speaker C: Which is the best.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:23:31] Speaker C: It's fun to watch.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: Exactly. And two picks on the season, man, that is hard to beat for rookie efficiency. Doing this as a rookie is crazy. I mean, it just doesn't make any.
[00:23:40] Speaker B: I mean, looking at that Texans and Browns trade, they definitely just got a heist.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: And, I mean, especially now with this pick being made, it's just so clear that maybe Deshaun Watson makes it look a little bit worse. But, man, does not look good for the Browns in terms of trade.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: Not at all. I know that they're probably a little bit upset. Now, before we head to break, I'm going to ask you guys just a quick question.
Should CJ Stroud be in the MVP conversation and if so, where is like, where is he in the conversation? Is he number one? Because right now as of today, Jalen Hurts is the front runner for MVP.
[00:24:16] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:24:17] Speaker C: So it's tough because he is a rookie, but I would definitely put him up near the top of MVP just because of him coming in with again. We came in, there was not a lot of household names in the wide receiver department or in the pass catching department. So rookie head coach, a whole new coaching staff quarterback came in and I don't want to say he caught off to a, I don't want to say rocky start. He was still electric in the beginning, but it wasn't anything like this. It wasn't averaging dang near 330 yards per game with a couple of touchdowns.
[00:24:51] Speaker A: Oh yeah.
[00:24:52] Speaker C: So I would say he's near the MVP. I still think with the record that it is right now, I wouldn't really consider that that because of course we all know.
[00:25:01] Speaker B: So he's not at the conversation. He's not at the.
[00:25:02] Speaker C: Oh no, he's in the conversation.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: Top five.
[00:25:05] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:25:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say top five, but I don't think he's going to win at one because he's a rookie, of course. But it's just a record. The record of the team. I think it's what? Like five and five?
[00:25:14] Speaker B: I think it's five and four.
[00:25:15] Speaker C: Five and four. Still a great record for what the Texans were coming to last season. To this season.
[00:25:21] Speaker A: Right.
[00:25:22] Speaker C: I just still think you need a better record. That's why I still think Jalen Hurts is going to do it just because what he's been able to do with his arm and the record of the team.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: Right?
[00:25:31] Speaker D: I think top five for sure. I agree. He's probably not going to win it just because he's a rookie. He'll definitely get Rookie of the Year, but no, not with the Texans this year at least.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: That's understandable. And I agree with all you guys. And just for the fans out there listening, can you guys name there has been a rookie that has won the MVP award and you guys can guess a little. I'm going to give you guys some attempts. We're not going to sit here the whole time, but I want to know if you can name the last rookie that has won the MVP award in the NFL.
Say that again.
[00:26:05] Speaker D: Ladanian Tomlinson.
[00:26:06] Speaker B: No, it was not Ladinson.
[00:26:07] Speaker A: I was going to say that would have been if it had. Running back got MVP in his rookie year. That would be unbelievable.
[00:26:13] Speaker B: I will say Evans in the right department, though. Running back to your last comment.
[00:26:17] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:26:18] Speaker D: Adrian Peterson.
[00:26:19] Speaker A: Yeah. How long?
[00:26:20] Speaker B: Not Adrian Peterson.
Good couple. You know who this player is, Barry. But a while. It's been a while. 19, 57, 50.
[00:26:29] Speaker C: Set.
[00:26:29] Speaker A: Jim.
[00:26:30] Speaker C: Ron.
[00:26:30] Speaker A: Jim Brown.
[00:26:31] Speaker B: You got it.
[00:26:32] Speaker A: Let's go.
[00:26:32] Speaker B: You got it. With that, we're going to head to break. Congrats on getting that answer right. That's nice, man. You were listening to the student section. NFL on WVUA 90.7, the Capstone. We are back with the second part of our conversation, and we're about to get started recapping the Falcons versus Cardinals games. A lot to take away from this game. We can talk about Bijean Robinson getting his first touchdown in a long time.
[00:27:21] Speaker A: Let's go.
[00:27:21] Speaker B: And then we could talk about the return of Kyler Murray, who had himself quite the debut. So where do you guys want to lead it off? Tanner.
[00:27:29] Speaker A: I think my personal favorite narrative from this game is Trey McBride leading the Cardinals in receiving yards.
He's a tight end for them. He plays behind Zach Ertz most of the time, but Zach Ertz was injured going to this game. I am just a fan of Trey McBride. I thought he was great in college, and I was excited to see him.
[00:27:49] Speaker B: Colorado, right?
[00:27:50] Speaker A: Yes. And so I was excited to see him come out and have a really good game because I think he's a freak athlete, and I think he has pretty good potential in this league, and I think it's a really good thing for his career, for Kyle Murray's first game back, for him to be the number one target. I think it says really good things for where he could be headed for the rest of the season.
[00:28:08] Speaker B: So you're saying no, I'm blanking on it. This is awkward. I was thinking of that Georgia tight end.
[00:28:14] Speaker A: I was like, so you're saying no future mean. Why not? I mean, that would be a pretty awesome two tight end set, but, yeah, I think Brock Bowers may go higher. Well, I don't even know where the Cardinals pick will be, but it'll be top five someplace.
[00:28:28] Speaker C: 1000% top five.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:33] Speaker C: I would love to say Kyler Murray coming back from injury and just. He put up good numbers. Yay. Through a pick, but 249 yards coming back.
[00:28:40] Speaker B: Looks good running the ball.
[00:28:41] Speaker C: He did look good.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: That one play looks like a toddler running again.
[00:28:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:28:45] Speaker A: He has not played in a minute, man.
[00:28:46] Speaker C: And it was. I could not get over the fact of just how he runs.
[00:28:50] Speaker B: It's so hilarious.
He really does look like a toddler.
[00:28:54] Speaker A: His feet just move so fast.
[00:28:55] Speaker C: I know. It looks like he'd stole a cookie from the cookie jar and ran away from his mother.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: It's hilarious. Yeah, but a baller, still a baller.
[00:29:04] Speaker C: Still a great player, great quarterback. And, I mean, it's pretty. Isn't this the first game? James Connor was back for the Cardinals, 73 yards. Not amazing production on 16 carries, but.
[00:29:16] Speaker B: Still a huge addition. I mean, he's a cat on the.
[00:29:18] Speaker C: Team, so that was pretty good. But we were talking about it last week. Bijan Robinson, man, he actually got the ball. 22 carries for 95 yards and a touchdown.
[00:29:27] Speaker B: The Falcons rookie running back.
[00:29:29] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:29:30] Speaker C: Bijon Robinson.
[00:29:33] Speaker B: I'm clarifying more so for the audience.
[00:29:35] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:29:36] Speaker B: Not for us.
[00:29:37] Speaker A: We can't assume that they know. Connor. Come on, man.
[00:29:39] Speaker C: Sorry.
[00:29:40] Speaker B: You're all good. I just keep going.
[00:29:41] Speaker A: Well done, Jillian.
[00:29:42] Speaker C: Thank you. But I'm here for Arthur Smith. Had to be listening to us, right, guys?
[00:29:48] Speaker B: I think so.
[00:29:49] Speaker C: I mean, us specifically. Just us specifically.
[00:29:52] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:29:52] Speaker C: Nobody else. Because, I mean, thanks for listening, Arthur.
[00:29:56] Speaker A: Assuming he's listening right now, because I think he would. Why wouldn't he be?
[00:29:59] Speaker B: He's just in Atlanta.
[00:30:02] Speaker C: Let me tune into the students.
[00:30:03] Speaker A: I actually sent him a link, like, last week, so it could be I gave him a little easier listening experience.
[00:30:09] Speaker C: Yeah, we just taught him how to coach.
Give the ball to your best player that you drafted, what? Fourth overall? No, 7th overall. I'm thinking of Kyle Pitt overall, who.
[00:30:19] Speaker A: They also don't give ball to, and.
[00:30:21] Speaker B: Then Drake London, who they also drafted. Like, what was he?
[00:30:24] Speaker A: He was the first were taking that draft.
And I think it's the wrong pick. And I think it's still showing itself that way because I think Garrett Wilson and Crystal Lavi are still playing.
Um, sorry, but no one can get.
[00:30:34] Speaker B: Him the ball, so it's, like, hard to.
[00:30:35] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:30:36] Speaker B: Yeah. But I think what you're like, pretty much they're certified like ballers right now. The question mark's still out on.
[00:30:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:42] Speaker C: Yeah. It's just funny to see because I'm looking at the stats right now, and the receiving leaders for the Falcons, you have Drake London with three catches for 36 yards, then Kyle Pitts with three catches for 30 yards, then Bijon with one catch for eleven, then Cordell Patterson with two catches for seven yards, and then Tyler Algier, Scott Miller, and Johnny Smith all had one catch for one to two yards.
[00:31:08] Speaker A: That's hilarious, dude. Your quarterback ending with 55 yards is hilarious.
[00:31:15] Speaker C: I mean, Taylor Heineck did. He tweaked his hamstring. So he did come out. But then Desmond Ritter, fight for your spot. You got benched. Let's see what you can do. 39 yards.
[00:31:26] Speaker A: They put two quarterbacks in and they couldn't combine for 100 yards against the Cardinals defense. Cardinals.
[00:31:34] Speaker B: Man, it's crazy.
[00:31:35] Speaker C: This is one of the worst quarterbacking performances I think I've seen in the last ten years. Yeah, that says it a lot after watching Nathan Peterman.
[00:31:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess they.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: Nathan Peterman's a goat.
[00:31:47] Speaker A: How dare you.
I don't know, man. It makes them look a little strange. Especially if this quarterback class becomes as good as it has the chance to.
[00:31:55] Speaker B: Be as good as it advertised.
[00:31:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Then they could really regret not taking a quarterback at this stage. But I mean, this just puts them in a position to where they probably.
[00:32:03] Speaker C: Will next year if they'll draft Shadir Sanders.
[00:32:06] Speaker B: I think it's either going to be shadur or in my honest opinion, I think they're probably going to be the team most likely to land Justin Fields.
[00:32:13] Speaker C: With the Bears move, I can see them landing Justin Fields.
[00:32:16] Speaker B: Justin Fields is from Georgia, too, I think.
[00:32:18] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know, man, if I'm in their position, I don't know if I'm going for another guy that has the question mark and has a huge question mark over him. You know what I mean?
[00:32:27] Speaker C: But I mean, let's be honest, I'd rather Justin Fields over Taylor Heinecke and Desmond Reynolds. Yeah.
[00:32:32] Speaker A: I'm saying you draft quarterback.
[00:32:34] Speaker C: Okay. That's mean.
[00:32:36] Speaker B: Like if, let's say hypothetically they're in the draft, right. They're probably going to have a top pick.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: Probably. Yeah.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: So Caleb Williams, let's say they can't get their hands on Caleb Williams and Drake May, who's the next best available quarterback that you think works for a system behind Arthur Smith?
[00:32:52] Speaker A: Next available quarterback that works for a system behind Arthur Smith. He doesn't have the quarterback involved that mean, which is strange because he's not.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: Using any of his other weapons that aren't a quarterback. Right. What is the game plan mean? Is lack of a quarterback.
[00:33:13] Speaker A: The question they could have an opportunity for Bo Nix in this draft, who I don't think is the worst call ever for their sake. I think the guys that they likely have a shot at are going to be probably Bonix or maybe Michael Pennix because I think Michael Pennix may fall a little bit as we get closer.
[00:33:32] Speaker C: Just because his age, though, right.
[00:33:34] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. That's the main reasoning. And also, people will see the severe lack of not, I don't want to say severe, but genuine lack of mobility injury history. Injury history as well.
[00:33:43] Speaker B: Well, not four ACL, something like that.
[00:33:45] Speaker A: Exactly. So I think that'll definitely make him fall back a little bit. But again, a lot of it depends on where that pick ends up being. And it's a little hard to tell.
[00:33:53] Speaker C: At this point, to be honest. I could probably see them not taking quarterback in the first round.
[00:34:01] Speaker B: They've had arguably the best opportunities to take a quarterback the past couple of drafts.
[00:34:05] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
[00:34:06] Speaker B: And they haven't.
[00:34:06] Speaker A: They're kind of sorry.
[00:34:07] Speaker C: I'll let you. I was going to say I would like to see them. If they can't get anybody like a Bo Nix, Drake, May, Caleb Williams or even, I guess, Pennix, I would like them to wait. Go either day two or day three picks and get a guy like Jaden Daniels or JJ McCarthy maybe.
[00:34:23] Speaker B: I think Daniels is going to be.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: A first round pick.
Jayden Daniels, that's a realistic guy.
[00:34:28] Speaker B: I think he's the favorite for the Heisman right now, is he not?
[00:34:30] Speaker A: He should be. I don't know if he is. I feel like it's probably still Pennix right now.
[00:34:35] Speaker B: I think it's a neck and neck. Yeah.
[00:34:37] Speaker A: Just because PenniX's team is just undefeated still. Yeah, but Jayden Daniels is a really good, mean. Jaden Daniels is the reason that this offense is still good at.
[00:34:48] Speaker B: If Kenny Pickett goes first round, I'm all sold on.
[00:34:54] Speaker C: That's also the Steelers drafting Kenny Pickett because I feel like true.
[00:34:57] Speaker B: I don't think.
[00:34:57] Speaker C: I don't think anybody would have touched Kenny Pickett with the ten foot pole on day one.
[00:35:02] Speaker D: That will be.
[00:35:02] Speaker A: No, that's one of the worst QB.
[00:35:04] Speaker C: Drafts the Titans had a chance to draft. Can he pick it? I thought they didn't.
[00:35:10] Speaker A: I believe they had a chance.
[00:35:11] Speaker C: They skipped on him.
[00:35:12] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right. I completely forgot that third round, but yeah.
And he's not even getting like a fair. Well, he probably has gotten a fair chance in camp.
[00:35:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Don't get me wrong, Malik Willis was a. He showed some potential for some highlights, but, man, there was a lot of times in college where he looked undraftable.
[00:35:31] Speaker C: I was extremely low on Malik Willis coming out, and that's completely fair.
[00:35:36] Speaker A: At the end of the day, it's a third round pick.
[00:35:39] Speaker C: I wouldn't have taken with a third round pick. I feel like that was a waste of a pick. Yeah, I would have loved to see him go. I mean, I don't say I would have loved to see him go because.
[00:35:47] Speaker A: He'S still a person.
[00:35:48] Speaker C: But if I'm a GM, I'm not looking at him like, okay, I'm going to draft this guy till probably like the 6th, 5th round.
[00:35:55] Speaker A: Interesting. I mean, I get that hindsight is 2020.
[00:35:58] Speaker B: It is.
[00:35:59] Speaker C: It is 2020.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: We'll see what they do.
I don't even really know how to even.
[00:36:08] Speaker C: The Falcons are in such a weird spot right now. They have so many playmakers, but they don't have a coach who wants to give them the ball.
[00:36:15] Speaker A: And they're also in a weird spot, something like the Panthers were in for a long time where they're not quite in the range to get that high end quarterback in the first five, six picks in the round. They're finishing up at the 8910 spot just about every year. And that puts you literally just out of the range to get a quarterback that could stick around for a long time.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: And when I ask you guys, what's this team's identity?
[00:36:35] Speaker C: It doesn't have oNe, dude, I have no idea.
[00:36:37] Speaker B: They have all this talent. They have some decent defensive pieces, but yet we're all sitting here two years after with Arthur Smith and being like, what is this team? What is this identity?
[00:36:48] Speaker C: And I think doesn't have an identity.
[00:36:50] Speaker B: And I think that's why it's so hard to identify the problem with this team beyond coaching.
[00:36:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:55] Speaker B: But with that being said, let's talk about a quarterback that we don't really have to ask any questions about, just more like how much is he going to get paid? And Josh Dobbs. Josh Dobbs is making a, having a breakout year. If it's not DeMar Hamlin, it might be Josh Dobbs for Comeback Player of the Year.
[00:37:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:11] Speaker C: There's no way it's not going to be DeMar Hamlin. Yeah.
[00:37:14] Speaker A: Even though he hasn't recorded a stat last night.
[00:37:17] Speaker B: You did. He got a tackle last night.
[00:37:18] Speaker A: He had a tackle last night. Never mind. He has a tackle. Take it back.
[00:37:22] Speaker C: That's comeback Player of the Year. Because what happened last year, being able to come back from that, he did.
[00:37:27] Speaker B: Die and come back to life, that's pretty hard to beat.
[00:37:30] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:37:30] Speaker B: But credit to them and that pulls Bill staff in the organization.
[00:37:34] Speaker A: No? Yeah. That's a fair thing to walk away with, but I don't know.
[00:37:39] Speaker B: But with that being said, so let me ask you, so what's your takeaway from the Vikings? And you think, let me ask you another question. My friend's a Vikings fan. But let me ask you, if Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins is injured, right? So I think as a response, the first thing that they're going to do, their GM, I think his name's Quezi or Casey or something like that.
[00:38:00] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:38:00] Speaker B: But pretty much you're going to lowball Kirk Cousins, wouldn't you? Because he's coming off injury and he's older.
[00:38:06] Speaker A: How dare they is all I have to say. I don't know if they low ball.
[00:38:09] Speaker B: I wouldn't, but that's what I'm saying. If you're the Vikings, why wouldn't you lowball? Or if Kirk is looking for so much money that you're not willing to pay, why wouldn't you sign Josh Dobbs to a cheaper contract?
For cheaper contract, less years, like less commitment if he makes him to the playoffs, let me.
[00:38:29] Speaker A: But I still think Josh Dobbs is like a hot, he's a, he's a high end backup quarterback. He's a very high end backup.
[00:38:34] Speaker C: He's having a insanity run right now. I don't think he's really going to be this. I mean, we saw what he did prior in all of his other stints in the NFL. He hasn't been able really to stick. So I just think, yes, he's played great with the Vikings. It's honestly amazing what he's been doing with weapons such as like TJ Hawkinson and Jordan Addison, and I can't wait for them to get Justin Jefferson next week.
[00:38:55] Speaker B: That's the most important, impressive part about this. They're on the way. A five, six game win streak, all without Justin Jefferson.
[00:39:01] Speaker C: But I don't think you can lowball Kirk Cousins because we all know what kind of locker room guy he has been team. I mean, everybody in the facility loves Kurt Cousins.
[00:39:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Tell you what, man, he had a.
[00:39:12] Speaker C: Great year this year, too.
[00:39:13] Speaker A: Tell you what, man. I mean, this is starting to make more sense in my head the more we talk about this. But if the Falcons end up in that nine or ten spot and they're not going to be able to get a quarterback for the future, and they still keep this weird mentality of kind of win now, but not quite good enough. Kurt Cousins is probably the first name that you look at in free agency for a quarterback that can come in and make an immediate impact.
[00:39:36] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:39:36] Speaker B: I thought you about to say Josh Dobbs.
[00:39:38] Speaker A: No, Kurt Cousins.
[00:39:40] Speaker B: The way you had worded it, you're.
[00:39:41] Speaker A: Like, I probably did lead it up like that a little bit.
[00:39:43] Speaker C: Falcons should have made a push for Josh Dobbs at the deadline, though.
The jets should have, too.
[00:39:48] Speaker B: The Raiders.
[00:39:49] Speaker A: Absolutely. The jets really should have made a push for Josh.
[00:39:52] Speaker C: But, I mean, according to Aaron Rodgers, he's coming back soon, which is insane. He said around December.
[00:39:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Mid December. Yeah. Wait, say that one more time.
[00:40:01] Speaker A: Thanksgiving.
[00:40:02] Speaker C: Wait, he said Thanksgiving?
[00:40:03] Speaker D: He said he'll be with the team full time around Thanksgiving.
[00:40:06] Speaker C: I'm saying, like, playing again.
[00:40:08] Speaker B: He might be around the team more like just engaging in team practicing still.
[00:40:12] Speaker D: That's insane.
[00:40:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay, I saw this funny tweet.
[00:40:16] Speaker B: What is it, three months?
[00:40:17] Speaker C: Something like that. Yeah.
[00:40:18] Speaker A: Dude, if that tear Achilles and come.
[00:40:20] Speaker B: Back and play football in three months.
[00:40:22] Speaker C: I know.
[00:40:22] Speaker A: When I could not.
[00:40:23] Speaker C: I know. Cam Akers Tours Achilles. What was it in training camp or it was like early in the season and then came back for the Super bowl and everybody was like, oh, my goodness, how did he do this? And then Aaron Rodgers is doing this in three months. Yeah, but speaking of Aaron Rodgers, in this crazy timeline of recovering from an Achilles injury, Sean Bradley in Eagles linebacker. I saw this on Twitter. So it was NFL tweeting, Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball, stuff like this. Look how crazy it is.
[00:40:51] Speaker A: Right?
[00:40:51] Speaker C: And Sean Bradley just tweets, someone push him and see how stable the Achilles is. I'm like, what are you talking about?
[00:41:01] Speaker A: Oh, my God, that's aggressive.
[00:41:05] Speaker C: I know we're all thinking it, but what I do want to see how stable it is. Can he actually withstand like a cut or something like that? But, man, that's a weird kind of way to say.
[00:41:17] Speaker A: That's a crazy way to put that.
[00:41:19] Speaker B: I know. Especially you think the NFL is a family. And just to say something out of pocket, like, that's a little. Yeah, but while we're talking about the Vikings and their, and, you know, Kirk battling injury, let's talk about the Saints quarterback. And now they're battling injury. Derek Carr goes down with an injured shoulder last night, I believe.
[00:41:37] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:41:38] Speaker B: So now James Winston's and now the helm. Where is this team?
[00:41:43] Speaker C: The whole NFC South?
[00:41:46] Speaker B: That's what I was getting to.
[00:41:47] Speaker A: I didn't want to hurt your feelings.
[00:41:49] Speaker B: Danner, but like, oh, dude, no.
[00:41:51] Speaker A: You know how bad it feels to be at the bottom of the, it's like, it's having, whatever it is, eight trash cans. And I'm not even eight trash cans, just eight different categories. One of them is the worst of all eight. And then you have the bottom of this category, and that's where the Panthers are right now, which is a brutal way to look at it.
[00:42:13] Speaker C: But to be fair, the NSC east was like that a few years ago. I know the team that won the division was like, eight and eight or seven and nine.
[00:42:22] Speaker B: Nine and.
[00:42:22] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. So we kind of know what it's like for your pain, but at the same time, it's like, geez, honestly, south has been really bad for the last two years. Last two or three years.
[00:42:32] Speaker A: Yeah, it's been ugly, unfortunately.
[00:42:34] Speaker B: It's like when you're driving, and then you're driving, and then you see something out in the distance, you're like, what is that?
[00:42:39] Speaker A: I'm really excited to see where you're going.
[00:42:44] Speaker B: You're like, what is that? It's shiny. I got to go check it out.
[00:42:48] Speaker A: It's shiny.
[00:42:50] Speaker B: You see it, okay. And then you get there, you drive a little bit longer. It takes you about ten minutes.
[00:42:56] Speaker A: How many miles?
[00:42:58] Speaker B: Let's say, like, I don't know, a cool eight.
[00:43:03] Speaker A: Okay, let's hear Mel.
[00:43:05] Speaker B: You finally get there. You're like, oh, my God. What is this thing? What is this great thing? And it's just a dog turd.
[00:43:12] Speaker A: That was the whole story. Wow.
[00:43:14] Speaker C: I feel like there could have been a lot of better ways to kind of.
[00:43:18] Speaker A: How did you see the dog turd from 10 miles away?
[00:43:20] Speaker B: You got keen eyes.
You got keen eyes.
[00:43:25] Speaker A: Shiny dog turd. Wow.
[00:43:27] Speaker C: You said it was shiny, so it's.
[00:43:28] Speaker A: Like, yeah, this is impressive.
[00:43:30] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, glitter got.
[00:43:31] Speaker C: I don't know.
[00:43:32] Speaker B: I'm not the dog's owner.
[00:43:34] Speaker C: This is a football pod.
[00:43:37] Speaker A: The Panthers are officially a glittery dog turd is what we have. Walked away.
[00:43:41] Speaker B: Great analysis.
[00:43:42] Speaker C: And with that, you know, Jalen, that was a great way to just tie into NSC south and sum it up in one word. Yeah, I mean, a story. Not really a word.
[00:43:53] Speaker B: Yeah, not a story, really, but a.
[00:43:55] Speaker A: Couple of paragraphs in there, but it's okay.
[00:43:57] Speaker B: It was a good attempt.
[00:43:58] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say so.
[00:44:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:00] Speaker C: Maybe not even it got the point across.
[00:44:02] Speaker A: We'll give them that.
[00:44:03] Speaker B: We'll end it on that.
With that being said, you are listening to the student section. NFL. And we will be back with part three of our show.
[00:44:22] Speaker A: AFM Tuscaloosa.
[00:44:32] Speaker B: And we are back with our last and final part of our show.
[00:44:36] Speaker C: It sounds like you're just so soft with it. Where's that energy, J?
[00:44:40] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, we're back. Nowhere, man.
[00:44:42] Speaker B: All my energy went to that story.
[00:44:46] Speaker A: That is not saying mucH, man. I'm not going to lie to you.
[00:44:50] Speaker B: I gave everything I had. Wow. Story.
[00:44:53] Speaker C: All here is welcome back, guys. This is Student section.
[00:44:57] Speaker B: Back to the show.
[00:45:00] Speaker C: That's exactly what you said. Is this that one time? Welcome back. Welcome back, guys.
[00:45:06] Speaker B: Welcome back to the student section. NFL. There you go on WVUA 90.7, the Capstone.
[00:45:12] Speaker C: Let's go.
[00:45:12] Speaker B: We are back with our third and final part of our show as we are going to preview some of the games for next week or this upcoming weekend.
[00:45:21] Speaker C: What? So did he help?
Did that story? Just like.
[00:45:26] Speaker A: He's distraught after that story.
[00:45:27] Speaker B: Man, I lost my train of thought.
[00:45:29] Speaker A: It's okay, man. You got it.
[00:45:30] Speaker B: Started thinking about the glitter. So we're going to preview the Eagles versus Chiefs.
[00:45:35] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, let's preview it, I guess.
[00:45:39] Speaker A: Stop looking at me like that, Jalen.
[00:45:41] Speaker C: Oh, my God.
[00:45:43] Speaker A: Good Lord.
[00:45:43] Speaker B: But all I was saying is both these teams are coming off by weeks and we both know these are the teams that went to the Super bowl last.
You know, it's Thanksgiving week, so hopefully we get a little bit of a holiday celebration as one of the best competitive matchups that we've seen in a while.
Give me your thoughts.
[00:46:00] Speaker C: I'm excited for it. It's two best teams, record wise, two best teams in the respective conferences.
[00:46:07] Speaker A: I wonder who Conor thinks is going to win this game.
[00:46:10] Speaker C: Man. I honestly don't truly know.
[00:46:12] Speaker B: I think he's going to say Chiefs.
[00:46:14] Speaker C: I'm not.
[00:46:15] Speaker B: Well, I know.
[00:46:15] Speaker C: I already know I'm not.
[00:46:16] Speaker B: There.
[00:46:16] Speaker A: It is exactly point proven.
[00:46:20] Speaker C: But truly, the Chiefs, they really haven't been very, like.
I don't say impressive because they're seven and two. Of course it's already impressive.
[00:46:29] Speaker A: Have the Eagles been that next level of impressive?
[00:46:32] Speaker C: They haven't at times, but, I mean, they also have.
[00:46:35] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not consistent, but you see glimpses of what they're trying to be.
[00:46:40] Speaker A: Something we do need to mention. Will Taylor Swift be in attendance for this football?
[00:46:44] Speaker B: That's a good question. She's in Argentina doing her world tour.
[00:46:48] Speaker C: She is.
[00:46:48] Speaker B: Well, that's where Travis Kelsey went in the AlBA week. That's the only reason I know that.
[00:46:53] Speaker C: Are you sure you're not a swiftie?
[00:46:55] Speaker A: You can.
[00:46:56] Speaker B: Guys. No.
[00:46:56] Speaker C: Are you an undercover Swifty?
[00:46:57] Speaker A: There's nothing wrong with being a swifty, man.
Shut up, Connor. There's nothing wrong with being a swiftie.
[00:47:04] Speaker B: No, I'm not a swiftie. Anyway, I think there's not going to be any Taylor Swift in attendance this week. I'm going to go.
[00:47:13] Speaker A: Got to go. Eagles guaranteed.
[00:47:16] Speaker D: Oh, no.
[00:47:16] Speaker C: Taylor Swift.
[00:47:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:17] Speaker C: Travis Kelsey is catching like, two balls.
[00:47:19] Speaker A: He's going to have, like, two balls, 15 yards.
[00:47:20] Speaker C: Yeah, 15 yards. A fumble. It's not going to be good.
[00:47:24] Speaker B: Two catches and a fumble.
[00:47:26] Speaker C: I'm joking right now.
[00:47:27] Speaker A: Yeah, we don't, man.
[00:47:28] Speaker B: No.
[00:47:29] Speaker A: Okay.
I think Jalen was, too, but.
[00:47:32] Speaker C: Okay.
Truly, I do think this will be a good game. I think the Chiefs defense has looked pretty good so far this year. I know. They held the Dolphins to what, 14 points?
[00:47:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:42] Speaker C: I mean, it wouldn't have been 14 points if two wouldn't throw a duck.
[00:47:46] Speaker A: That's their quarterback.
[00:47:47] Speaker C: I'm going to keep saying it just because that was Cedric Wilson ran the wrong route.
No, I think he's talking about the.
[00:47:55] Speaker B: Jalen Waddle flow, the throw to Jalen Waddle when he was streaking.
[00:47:58] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
[00:48:01] Speaker D: Yeah, that was Cedric Wilson.
[00:48:03] Speaker C: Oh, Cedric Wilson. Yeah, he ran a streak and Jalen.
[00:48:05] Speaker B: Supposed to be a comeback.
[00:48:07] Speaker D: Even if it wasn't that bad of.
[00:48:08] Speaker C: A throw, even if it was a comeback, there's no reason it should have been floated like that, which is what I'm saying, because I would see maybe ran the wrong route if he threw it where it should have been, but Buddy just threw a little lob pass that got nowhere near everybody.
[00:48:24] Speaker A: I mean, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of examples of questionable decision making in the NFL, but also, it's almost impossible to truly know what the game plan is, what the read is, especially in a Mike McDaniel offense. Man, like, you never know where that ball is supposed to go or even how he's going to throw it. I know it was a weird looking ball. No matter how you spin it, it was a weird looking ball. But that's kind of what Tua's thing is. He throws hyper catchable balls. He's not throwing these crazy aggressive windows or fastballs. He's throwing a very catchable ball. And this is me definitely playing Devil's advocate. I can definitely recognize that something went horribly wrong on that play.
[00:49:02] Speaker C: Yeah, but I mean, we just look at, mean, he has usually a great deep ball. I just feel like this one kind of slipped out of his hands, in my opinion. Yeah, that could be, but okay. But going back, the Chiefs, their defense has looked good. I mean, they had some questionable losses. They lost to the Broncos, which, if.
[00:49:19] Speaker B: Anything, their defense is starting to look better over the course of the season. Goes along.
[00:49:22] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:49:23] Speaker C: Oh, 1000% their offense, though. They don't have any pass catchers outside of Travis Kelsey. You can argue Cadarius, Tony or Sky.
[00:49:31] Speaker A: Moore, but Rashid Rice, Rashid Rice.
[00:49:33] Speaker C: Rashid Rice is coming up, but I.
[00:49:34] Speaker A: Mean, proving pretty steadily.
[00:49:35] Speaker C: I would still say Rashid Rice is not going to, should not be a number one option on the receiver.
[00:49:41] Speaker B: Yeah, as a rookie, I'll give you that.
[00:49:44] Speaker C: So I just think that offense is going to be pretty lackluster, I would say, when it comes to Sunday Night Football. The Eagles, on the other hand, the offense has looked really good outside of the red zone, so it's going to be a really good matchup seeing the defense versus the offense.
[00:50:03] Speaker A: Right.
[00:50:03] Speaker C: And the secondary hasn't been great whatsoever the last two or three weeks. They're coming off a bye week. Hopefully they fix some stuff up.
[00:50:09] Speaker A: Yeah, you better get a good secondary. If Patrick Mahomes, man, I don't care how know this is something I say a lot, but you can't defend multiple receivers more than 5 seconds. I know if back from homes buys himself 5 seconds, you're going to get a completion, but he is playing an elite defensive line, so that does need to be taken into account when talking about this defense.
[00:50:30] Speaker C: And I did see something about this. At this point in time last year, the Eagles have more pressures and more like pressure rate and higher sacks than they did at the same time they did last year. And they had what, 72 sacks last year.
[00:50:44] Speaker A: So you're saying right now they have more Defensive line stats than they did at this point in the year last year?
[00:50:49] Speaker C: Yes. Okay.
That shows you it's not really slowing down. So if Joanne Johnson doesn't really get a good head start like he does, he might be in a rough day. But the Chiefs line is still good, though.
[00:51:02] Speaker A: Yeah, it's still a pretty solid.
[00:51:05] Speaker D: I've only watched two Chiefs games to this point, but both ones in the Denver Broncos game, they stayed in that game because they got defensive line pressure. They got a fumble. Same with the Dolphins game. They forced a fumble and in the last couple drives they just completely bombarded Patrick Mahomes and he couldn't really get too much passing. So I think if you got that Chiefs, I mean, that Eagles defensive line bringing all that pressure against somewhat no name receivers apart from Travis Kelsey, I think they're going to have a really hard time on offense. I think Eagles take this one pretty handily.
[00:51:41] Speaker A: There you go.
[00:51:43] Speaker B: Excuse me, my bad. But let me ask you guys this. After almost every Eagles game, and almost after every Chiefs game, if you go on a Twitter, you always see, oh, the refs missed this call. The refs missed that call. So as just the fan, this is just a question for me. Who are the refs going to help out in this game. The more the Eagles or the Chiefs.
[00:52:02] Speaker D: Taylor Swift isn't going to be.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Mean. This is an impossible analysis.
[00:52:11] Speaker B: Oh, this is just for fun.
[00:52:12] Speaker A: This is not even like, I don't want to give any serious.
[00:52:17] Speaker B: I'm not saying the refs are even out helping these teams. I'm just saying I'm going to pull.
[00:52:21] Speaker C: Up the stats real quick and just tell you everything about the refs.
[00:52:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I think Conor's default, I may assume you think they're going to help the.
[00:52:27] Speaker C: No, I truly believe the refs have been very generous when it comes to the Eagles and the Chiefs. And the Chiefs as well because I know the big game that happened was the Jets, Chiefs. Jets should have won that game, but there were just so many bad penalties.
[00:52:44] Speaker B: Missed on Jennings like you just mentioned.
[00:52:46] Speaker C: Yeah, no, missed on the Chiefs. Like they didn't really throw a peNalty. I can't really remember what it was.
[00:52:52] Speaker B: He was just start early.
[00:52:54] Speaker C: No, I'm talking about like something happened where the jets had some kind of play. The Chiefs, they did something and they didn't call it. I can't remember if it was like a holding or something like that.
[00:53:05] Speaker D: Are you talking about the last drive?
[00:53:06] Speaker C: No, I'm about to get to the last drive, though, because I do remember the pass interference call that they should have called.
[00:53:10] Speaker D: There was holding on that same play, too.
[00:53:12] Speaker C: Yeah. So I do know they've helped out the Chiefs a lot, even going back to last year and this year. But I also do know the Eagles have had a lot of kind of. They have to pick their favorite. It's like a mother picking their favorite.
[00:53:27] Speaker B: Oh, okay.
[00:53:29] Speaker A: They are two essentially poster children of the NFL right now. The Chiefs and the Eagles.
[00:53:34] Speaker C: Jalen hurts and Patrick Mahomes. Yeah.
[00:53:35] Speaker A: Especially for their respective divisions, but conferences as well.
[00:53:39] Speaker B: So before we head to break, I mean, not even break, before we get head out of here, let me just ask you guys, I'm going to go around and just ask you guys who you think is going to win this game and we're going to revisit it next week. So starting with Tanner.
Give me a score. I just score.
[00:53:57] Speaker A: I am going to say that, man, can't believe you made me go first.
I'm going to say Eagles and I'm going to say I think it's going to be a close one.
How to say Eagles by a touchdown, but give me like 28, 21 something in that range.
[00:54:21] Speaker C: So I do also believe the Eagles will win. I do think the Chiefs will get out hot because they are at home.
[00:54:29] Speaker A: Right. And Arrowhead is serious.
[00:54:31] Speaker C: Arrowhead is hard to play in.
[00:54:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
Talk about Philly.
[00:54:35] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I know. I do think the Chiefs will get out to a quick little lead. I think it'll be like 14 three at the end of the first quarter, something like that. I do think the Eagles, because they always somehow just end up persevering and just coming back against their opponent.
[00:54:51] Speaker B: Right.
[00:54:51] Speaker C: So I do think it'll probably be like 3532-3531 around that area.
[00:54:58] Speaker A: That's fair. I also think Travis Kelsey has a really good game.
[00:55:01] Speaker C: He will have a great game because.
[00:55:02] Speaker A: Our incredible game because we don't have.
[00:55:04] Speaker C: A lot of guys that we're really bad at guarding.
[00:55:06] Speaker A: I don't trust. Yeah, I think it's Nikobe Dean.
[00:55:09] Speaker C: He's on IR, though.
[00:55:10] Speaker A: He's not even.
[00:55:12] Speaker B: I don't think.
I hope he can get healthy. He can't stay healthy.
[00:55:16] Speaker A: I was going to say even he was in, I would be worried about him dealing with Travis Kelsey and whoever. Even your slot corner is. Avante Maddox, Eli Ricks.
[00:55:24] Speaker B: We're working out, people.
[00:55:25] Speaker C: Right. Avante Maddox is out for the year.
[00:55:27] Speaker A: I do not like Eli Ricks on Travis Kelsey.
[00:55:29] Speaker C: We're probably going to put.
[00:55:30] Speaker B: Yeah, an undrafted rookie. It's not the best.
[00:55:33] Speaker C: I would say Reed blankenship would probably be on.
[00:55:37] Speaker B: I was thinking Sydney Brown could just go on Sydney.
[00:55:39] Speaker C: Yeah. I could see either Reed Sydney or Kevin Byrd on Travis Kelsey.
[00:55:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's more likely. Yeah. Evan, what's your take?
[00:55:49] Speaker D: I agree. Chiefs get out to a hot start, maybe not 140, but like 100, but then I think the Eagles just come and steamroll the rest of the game. So I say about 31 20 because.
[00:55:59] Speaker C: The Eagles are a great second half team, even third quarter. Best third quarter team in the NFL. I think I'm going to go.
[00:56:04] Speaker B: I didn't see that. I was originally going to say Eagles 28, Chiefs 24. But something tells me I have the feeling I'm going to be probably terribly wrong, but I have the feeling that the Eagles are going to use this to send a message and it's going to be close to start, but it's going to be a blowout towards the end of the game.
[00:56:26] Speaker A: Right.
[00:56:26] Speaker B: And I'm going to say with a score of, I'm trying to think of 28, I'm going to still stick with 28, maybe 32.
[00:56:36] Speaker A: I'm going to say, I also wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs, this becomes somewhat of a prove it game for.
[00:56:43] Speaker C: It's a prove it game for both sides.
[00:56:44] Speaker A: I think the Chiefs could especially prove themselves offensively, which is something they have not done this year. I would not be surprised if they really turned it up in this game.
[00:56:53] Speaker B: But this is going to be very close to the energy of it's not going to be as big as the Super bowl was. Don't get me wrong.
[00:57:00] Speaker C: No, but the players for themselves, 1000%.
[00:57:04] Speaker B: They'Re going to be playing up to that level. Absolutely.
[00:57:06] Speaker C: I think just within the Eagles organization, I feel like they're going to treat this like, I don't want to say do or die, but after the Super bowl, they kind of want to get their get back.
[00:57:16] Speaker B: Yeah, 100%. And I think what Travis Kelsey said, what did he say last year or not last year, but when the Chiefs lost the Super bowl, he said there's nothing more different than coming into a season after you lost a Super bowl, you come in hungrier. And what we've seen from the ego so far, so far this season alone at eight and one, I don't think Travis Kelsey is too far off. With that being said, you are listening to the students section.
[00:57:42] Speaker C: NFL hungry dogs run faster.
[00:57:54] Speaker A: FM Tuscaloosa.
